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Jewish Rabbi 06-26-2011 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 7715825)
No reason why the Cardinals can't have a rotation of Wainwright, Garcia, Westbrook, Lohse and Lynn next season.

That's a pretty decent rotation if you ask me.

Even better if you replace Lynn with McClellan.

Pasta Little Brioni 06-26-2011 03:34 PM

Romero shuts em out. Swept away by the Canadians, while the Brewers put away the Twinkies. This is Milwaukee's division to lose.

Marcellus 06-26-2011 03:36 PM

I am about done with the Cards this year. They don't play smart baseball.

It is just ugly to continually watch them screw up game after game.

Chief Roundup 06-26-2011 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 7715812)
It would bother me.

No team is going to run away with the Central. Cardinals just need to win and not go on long losing streaks.

X= Jon Jay

Wouldn't do that for Bombgarner.

Don't want to get rid of Jon Jay but you can put Colby Rasmus in his place.

BigRedChief 06-26-2011 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 7715825)
No reason why the Cardinals can't have a rotation of Wainwright, Garcia, Westbrook, Lohse and Lynn next season.

That's a pretty decent rotation if you ask me.

2nd half will also see Miller called up.

BigRedChief 06-26-2011 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 7716317)
I am about done with the Cards this year. They don't play smart baseball.

It is just ugly to continually watch them screw up game after game.

This division is wide open. We will make a run.

'Hamas' Jenkins 06-26-2011 05:51 PM

Here's the question you have to ask yourself:

Is another 80 games of Lance Berkman plus the FA compensation we'll get from letting him walk worth several cost-controlled years of a young, left handed SP with a top 25 SP ceiling?

I'd much rather roll out a rotation of Wainwright, Garcia, Bumgarner, McLellan, and Lohse.

Then, after next year, you can cut ties with Lohse and Westbrook and take another 18 million off the books while not even needing to fill a SP slot.

An OF of Craig, Rasmus, and Holliday is more than good enough, and some of that savings could, hopefully, finally fix the MI.

hill billie 06-26-2011 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7716527)

I'd much rather roll out a rotation of Wainwright, Garcia, Bumgarner, McLellan, and Lohse.

Wainwright, Garcia, Bumgarner, Shelby Miller, Carlos Martinez

Titty Meat 06-26-2011 06:12 PM

My father went to the game today he said ya'll have a super stadium. I told him Arrowhead is better (he hates the Chiefs) which stadium would you say is better if you can even compare the two.

ChiefsCountry 06-26-2011 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 7716554)
My father went to the game today he said ya'll have a super stadium. I told him Arrowhead is better (he hates the Chiefs) which stadium would you say is better if you can even compare the two.

Kauffman beats the shit out of both of them.

BigRedChief 06-26-2011 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7716527)
Here's the question you have to ask yourself:

Is another 80 games of Lance Berkman plus the FA compensation we'll get from letting him walk worth several cost-controlled years of a young, left handed SP with a top 25 SP ceiling?

I'd much rather roll out a rotation of Wainwright, Garcia, Bumgarner, McLellan, and Lohse.

Then, after next year, you can cut ties with Lohse and Westbrook and take another 18 million off the books while not even needing to fill a SP slot.

An OF of Craig, Rasmus, and Holliday is more than good enough, and some of that savings could, hopefully, finally fix the MI.

Starting pitching is not a pressing issue. We need to fix the bullpen and middle infield. I know your not as high on Miller as I am but he will be on the roster next year.Barring an injury, I'd bet real money on that and maybe even Martinez in 2013.

I'd give up Jay to get some bullpen help but at this time of the year you have to way over pay for bullpen help. The Brewers gave up their future starting SS and CF and a top pitching prospect to get Grienke and make a run this year.

We don't have to mortgage the future because this is our last shot. Even if Pujols leaves, we have enough talent to make another run in the next 5-6 years.

Dr. Johnny Fever 06-26-2011 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 7716557)
Kauffman beats the shit out of both of them.

I was just going to post this

luv 06-26-2011 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 7716557)
Kauffman beats the shit out of both of them.

I haven't been to the new Busch Stadium, but I think it would be hard to top Kauffman.

'Hamas' Jenkins 06-26-2011 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 7716558)
Starting pitching is not a pressing issue. We need to fix the bullpen and middle infield. I know your not as high on Miller as I am but he will be on the roster next year.Barring an injury, I'd bet real money on that and maybe even Martinez in 2013.

I'd give up Jay to get some bullpen help but at this time of the year you have to way over pay for bullpen help. The Brewers gave up their future starting SS and CF and a top pitching prospect to get Grienke and make a run this year.

We don't have to mortgage the future because this is our last shot. Even if Pujols leaves, we have enough talent to make another run in the next 5-6 years.

It's not that I'm not high on Miller, I just don't think he's gonna be Tim Lincecum out of the gate.

Here is the deal:

If you spin Berkman and another piece for Bumgarner, then you get an immediate ROI rather than one that will take several years and have a lower chance of panning out. It also allows you to counteract the Phillies' LH heavy lineup. It also lets you trot out the following staff in 2013:

Wainwright
Bumgarner
Garcia
Miller
McLellan

Now, if you think Martinez is ready by then, you can plug him in there.

That's the deepest rotation in baseball, and it's also a damned cheap one.

That allows you to spend money to fix the gaping hole that exists at 2nd, SS, and 3rd without hamstringing the team.

Furthermore, the OF is still a strength, as I'm a firm believer that Allen Craig can be a good ML RFer

KChiefs1 06-26-2011 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by luv (Post 7716563)
I haven't been to the new Busch Stadium, but I think it would be hard to top Kauffman.

Been to several games at both & The K is a winner but the new Busch is like 1000% better than the old Busch.


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