closer of the future maybe?

Billy Wagner Jr.

I'm calling this trade a win. In the bigger picture, we aren't talking about high-upside like a great infielder or power OF or anything like that, but a very good relief pitcher still has value. We traded away Ankiel, who I no faith in, and Farnsworth, who is... not consistent and getting very old but is riding high on his first good season in a while. (imagine that, we took a player who is playing out of his mind at a level he cant sustain, and traded him at the height of his value. What a concept)

We got a guy who looks to me like he grades out as having a 50% chance of turning into a average-to-good relief pitcher, maybe a 25% chance of being an elite relief pitcher, and 25% chance of falling apart and turning into garbage.

Also a 4th outfielder with *NO* power and a pitcher I dont care about at all, but hey we could get lucky.

Collins alone makes it a W. He has a future here, possibly a bright one. Ankiel and Farnsy had nothing.

If we keep moving Players that are known for Minors maybe we will catch a break and one of them turns out to be a star. We are due to find another Peanut in shit for sure. I like the possibility for ankiel to get white hot at some point. He can hit homeruns in bunches

Tim Collins stats: http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/m...pbp&pid=525768

2.29 ERA this season, batters are hitting 0.154 off him in AA this year, maybe about 0.170-0.180 for his minor league career. close to 4.5K/BB this season.

Its also nice to see that he's starting to turn into a groundball pitcher, his GO/AO ratio is roughly 0.80 for the year. Doesn't give up homers, about 0.50 HR/9 for his career, which is really nice.

Obviously he probably cant maintain those elite Soria-level stats through AAA all the way up to KC, but if he doesn't just completely fall off a whole lot, he could be a very good setup.

Ryan Shealy was not wasted away in the minors, he wasn't good enough to play in the big leagues.

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Well, at least y'all didn't trade a Gold Glove caliber RFer and Silver Slugger for a washed up 4th starter.

I think you got more for Rick Ankiel than we got for Ryan Ludwick. Collins seems like a nice piece.

And you managed to unload Farnsworth's salary.

I'm still just stunned by this ****ing Ludwick trade.

I can't say I dislike this trade. It's not mind blowing, but one decent prospect for those guys is a win. Just fucking bring Kila up already.

nah ... i think DM thinks they screwed up with Alex Gordon and doesn't want to do it again.

Speaking of Ryan Shealy, did he just quit or something? Where is he at this year?

I dont get why some of you are bitching about the return for a sandy vag like ankiel and a panzy ass farnsworth who has been worthless until this year, and he will suck as usual. We got rid of them, thats all that matters. We knew there was no value there, and now it should open a spot for Kila. Now cut guillen and get him the **** out of kc.

not bad ... wish we could of unloaded Guillen but :shrug:

IIRC, Red Sox recently released him from AAA.