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Sure-Oz 08-25-2009 11:21 AM

From Baseball Prospectus (subscription) so this is a snippet of what you can see for free
Future Shock: The Alex Gordon Problem


So what went wrong? "I'm not sure what we all missed on," said another official. "It's just tough to say." However, in talk to numerous insiders, most hypotheses revolve around not enough or even bad player development. Gordon's first full year in the minor leagues was also his last, as he was the Royals' starting third baseman on Opening Day 2007. "My only thought [as to what went wrong] is that he was rushed up there pretty quickly," said one scouting director. "Then he was expected to anchor the middle of the order, which is tough for any young player."

Another front-office official echoed this same lament. "Forget the performance, the decorations, the hype," said one team official. "How many really good players can you name who had less than 500 at-bats at the minor league level? Think about prospects that you think were rushed even, and you'll see that most had more minor league games than that."

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Deberg_1990 08-25-2009 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5999863)
Poz thinks this is the worst royals team he has ever seen.

Twibell says they need to blow this up big time...and there is no hope in sight for this poorly run franchise

No crap?!

Worse than 2002? 04-06 ??

Oh hell, they are all garbage....doesnt really matter.

Sure-Oz 08-25-2009 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 5999888)
Worse than 2002? 04-06 ??

Oh hell, they are all garbage....doesnt really matter.

I'd say it's worse now since we were supposed to be building towards something....

petegz28 08-25-2009 11:27 AM

I have pretty much resigned to the fact that I am not renewing my ticket package. I haven't even gone to the last 2 games I had tickets for and won't be going again tomorrow. I will probably attend 1 or 2 more just because I bought the damn things but I have no interest in supporting this team anymore, financially speaking.

Sure-Oz 08-25-2009 11:29 AM

I feel bad for ya pete, you are die hard, hell i am...i say next year you just go to a few games. I have done that for awhile, they just haven't proved to do shit in a longtime to warrant any season package. bastards

I've only been to 2 games this year, way behind my normal pace. I've been deflated as a fan

Sure-Oz 08-25-2009 11:33 AM

Royals: Joakim Soria, Billy Butler, and Zack Greinke. It’s hard to win with a three-man team, but that’s what the Royals are. They still haven’t signed top pick Aaron Crow (who wasn’t subject to the signing deadline), and now that Strasburg has received more than $15 million and Dustin Ackley $7.5 million (from Seattle), the price has gone up on Crow, who turned down $3.5 million from the Nationals last season. It’s 50-50 as to whether the Dayton Moore regime survives.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/artic les/2009/08/23/it_all_starts_with_starters/?page=f ull

50/50?? wow sticking your neck out there huh?!

petegz28 08-25-2009 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5999903)
I'd say it's worse now since we were supposed to be building towards something....

We are 30 games under .500, 19 back from 1st in our division, have yet another 5 game losing streak, have scored less than 600 runs, we avg, somehow, 4 runs a game. If you take away the first 29 games the stats are just tremendously worse.


I don't care how bad your talent is, it takes a real dumb **** of a coach to get this kind of performance.

But hey, we have a coach who has:

A) never played in the ML
B) never coached at any spot in the ML

It has nothing to do with him...../dayton moore

Sure-Oz 08-25-2009 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 5999929)
We are 30 games under .500, 19 back from 1st in our division, have yet another 5 game losing streak, have scored less than 600 runs, we avg, somehow, 4 runs a game. If you take away the first 29 games the stats are just tremendously worse.


I don't care how bad your talent is, it takes a real dumb **** of a coach to get this kind of performance.

I'd say DM is the main reason we have this team....he set it up with guys that can't get on base or play defense. Like i said, no manager could get more out of these losers

Demonpenz 08-25-2009 11:36 AM

we are going to regret not trading soria. He is coming back to earth

petegz28 08-25-2009 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5999911)
I feel bad for ya pete, you are die hard, hell i am...i say next year you just go to a few games. I have done that for awhile, they just haven't proved to do shit in a longtime to warrant any season package. bastards

I've only been to 2 games this year, way behind my normal pace. I've been deflated as a fan

I hate to give up my seats cause they are ****ing awesome seats. But I have better things to spend my $'s on.

DeezNutz 08-25-2009 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 5999929)
We are 30 games under .500, 19 back from 1st in our division, have yet another 5 game losing streak, have scored less than 600 runs, we avg, somehow, 4 runs a game. If you take away the first 29 games the stats are just tremendously worse.


I don't care how bad your talent is, it takes a real dumb **** of a coach to get this kind of performance.

How many more games could the best manager have won with this roster? 5? 8?

Fine. We're now 22 games under .500. So what's the difference, really?

The team can't hit, field, or pitch (out of the pen). Honestly, this is probably the worst-constructed team I have ever seen. If you can't hit, you damn well better be able to catch it. Strangely, DM said "**** it" on both accounts.

Sure-Oz 08-25-2009 11:37 AM

Soria is a middle reliever now and pitches every 5 days, he's the new farnsy!

Sure-Oz 08-25-2009 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 5999935)
I hate to give up my seats cause they are ****ing awesome seats. But I have better things to spend my $'s on.

They don't deserve fans like you, i say use that money for vacation savings

Fish 08-25-2009 11:38 AM

I'm really lacking the motivation to head out tonight as well... although I probably will.

I'm telling myself that the fact that I don't have to drive will make it more enjoyable. At least I can drink. And a free T-shirt. Yeah, that's it. Free shirt.

Go Royals..... or somesuch nonsense...

Sure-Oz 08-25-2009 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5999937)
How many more games could the best manager have won with this roster? 5? 8?

Fine. We're now 22 games under .500. So what's the difference, really?

The team can't hit, field, or pitch (out of the pen). Honestly, this is probably the worst-constructed team I have ever seen. If you can't hit, you damn well better be able to catch it. Strangely, DM said "**** it" on both accounts.

I'd rather have herk robinson at this point


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