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Hammock Parties 03-10-2012 06:27 PM

Quick question about starting lineups:

Would I be better off starting a proven veteran over a rookie, or should I go with the rookie simply because he had a better statistical season last year? There's about a 200-yard difference between players.

cdcox 03-10-2012 07:36 PM

Rookie vs. veteran has no influence on game simulations. Start the player that you think had the overall better season in 2011. I'm not going to go into details about what constitutes a better season, but it is far more complicated than total yards. Also there is not a mapping of week-by-week performance between the NFL and Sandbox league. In other words, player X could have a bad week 1 in the NFL and a great week 1 in Sandbox.

Hammock Parties 03-10-2012 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 8438475)
Also there is not a mapping of week-by-week performance between the NFL and Sandbox league. In other words, player X could have a bad week 1 in the NFL and a great week 1 in Sandbox.

OK. Here's a related question:

Let's say I have an injured player who absolutely tore it up for a few weeks, but then got hurt. Will he be awesome for the weeks he's available?

cdcox 03-10-2012 08:21 PM

On average, yes.

rageeumr 03-11-2012 09:15 AM

I like the setup of the DL rotation.

My only comment is that it might be helpful to have the option for a single player to get snaps at multiple DL positions. I'm running a 4-3, and it would be nice to be able to play backup guys at both L and R DT and DE. I might even choose to have certain players get a few snaps at DT and DE if that were an option.

Is there any chance that will be incorporated into the game?

Great work so far. I think this is going to be a blast.

Rain Man 03-11-2012 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satanic Goat (Post 8438209)
Quick question about starting lineups:

Would I be better off starting a proven veteran over a rookie, or should I go with the rookie simply because he had a better statistical season last year? There's about a 200-yard difference between players.

It's really about who was the better player and your judgment.

If the rookie had more yards - say 250 rushes for 800 yards - but the veteran had 100 rushes for 500 yards, you might want to start the veteran because his stats indicate more effectiveness. Who's the better blocker? Better receiver? This is all taken into account with the system we're installing.

cdcox 03-11-2012 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rageeumr (Post 8439674)
I like the setup of the DL rotation.

My only comment is that it might be helpful to have the option for a single player to get snaps at multiple DL positions. I'm running a 4-3, and it would be nice to be able to play backup guys at both L and R DT and DE. I might even choose to have certain players get a few snaps at DT and DE if that were an option.

Is there any chance that will be incorporated into the game?

Great work so far. I think this is going to be a blast.

I went round and round about whether to substitute at specific positions (like I set up) or whether to keep it generic, like you suggest. It's always a balance between providing the flexibility that real NFL coaches have, and keeping the interface (and programming!) relatively simple.

If people want more flexibility in their DL rotations, I would probably consider it as an option in a future year.

topher79 03-20-2012 03:28 PM

Trade proposed to Cedar Rapids from Wichita.

Hammock Parties 03-20-2012 03:31 PM

Still have 2 top shelf pass rushers for trade. Looking for CB, DT, RT, S. Priority in that order.

topher79 03-20-2012 03:33 PM

When does this start? I'm (Wichita Potheads) kind of in need of QB. Any of the following would be available...

Cameron Wake
Jonathan Joseph
Steve Smith (Car)
Domato Peko
Future Draft Picks

Rain Man 03-20-2012 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by topher79 (Post 8476477)
When does this start? I'm (Wichita Potheads) kind of in need of QB. Any of the following would be available...

Cameron Wake
Jonathan Joseph
Steve Smith (Car)
Domato Peko
Future Draft Picks

Which league? Post this in the discussion thread for the league that you're in.

As an aside, we're going to be setting up a separate BB system for Sandbox before too long, so that we aren't mooching on chiefsplanet for this. It's just a matter of getting it set up.

Hammock Parties 03-20-2012 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by topher79 (Post 8476477)
When does this start? I'm (Wichita Potheads) kind of in need of QB. Any of the following would be available...

Cameron Wake
Jonathan Joseph
Steve Smith (Car)
Domato Peko
Future Draft Picks

I'd be interested in Jonathan Joseph.

Check Denver Broncos roster.

lostcause 03-22-2012 12:14 AM

Just out of curiosity, have you coded to compensate for poor stats that result from players being dominant at their positions, like cornerback? Where often, they're poor statistical performance is due to being avoided. If we had the option of trotting out Kyle Arrington (88 tackles, 7 int.) versus Nnamdi Asomugha (40 tackles, 3 int.), should we go with statistical performance?

cdcox 03-22-2012 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostcause (Post 8482626)
Just out of curiosity, have you coded to compensate for poor stats that result from players being dominant at their positions, like cornerback? Where often, they're poor statistical performance is due to being avoided. If we had the option of trotting out Kyle Arrington (88 tackles, 7 int.) versus Nnamdi Asomugha (40 tackles, 3 int.), should we go with statistical performance?

No, you should go with the better player.

brorth 03-22-2012 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 8484641)
No, you should go with the better player.

So, who would be the better player in that case? I know NA is the bigger name, but was he better last season?

The reason I ask is because I have fallen for the Pro Football Reference Approximate Value as a general indicator of the player's importance to the team.

Arrington does have "better numbers", but his AV is also 8, compared to 7 this season from Asomugha. It's nominal, but it would seem to indicate that Arrington was more valuable to the Pats than Asomugha was to the Eagles.

I'm going round and round with Stafford and Newton in a similar situation. Stafford has more total TDs, passing yards, etc. Newton has the rushing TDs, and their total offense is close, but Newton's AV is 19 as opposed to Stafford's 16.

I guess a lot of it will have to do with how the scoring is weighted, as far as determining the better player, or am I putting way too much stock in the AV from Pro Football Reference?


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