how do we feel about john gruden? just asking, because I can't say I'd like him to run the offense with cower running the D if everyone would hate me for suggesting him....

Be tough to get both of them to come back

Well, I can throw shit on the wall the same as anyone else in this thread, can't I? Give them both personnel control on their side of the ball, something different that's never been done before, co-GM/HC and coordinators.

I like Gruden. I think the offense we have right now is very similar to what he had in Tampa. He could do alot with this team imo.

A fiery, meticulous coach who isn't interested in merely being friends with his players.

Anyone but Gruden, that would be unacceptable to me... I don't think you will ever get him out of the booth now.

I might get killed for this but, what about Tom Cable?

Nothing wrong with cable

I know I've put other names out there, but I'm intrigued by Chip Kelly.

People who know him speak extremely high of his innovation, organization, and intelligence. Look at what he's done in Oregon...amazing.

A lot of those traits could carry over. Tampa failed to get him last year.

No. Just no...

I bet Oakland would have been in a better place right now if he were still their coach. I like the guy.

Plus, if Pioli tried to tell him what to do he would kick his ass! LOL

The same guys that won the Super Bowl the year prior?

The same guys that started out 2-6 when Big Ben was a turnover machine for the first half of the year (24 turnovers through 8 games) then finished out 6-2 over their final eight?

Yeah - those guys.

The 2006 team was a very good team that Ben really killed early on when he was responsible for 2 or 3 turnovers/gm. But hey, that's part of developing a young QB and that's a responsibility that Cowher took on. He also fixed it in a major way, cut the turnovers in half down the stretch and finished as strong as any team in the league.

Think Tomlinson didn't appreciate that? Think those players didn't learn from that?

That's okay though, just repeat your mantra for the world to hear:

"Wade Phillips is a better NFL Head Coach than Bill Cowher"

And the world shall reply - "You're an idiot".

Or more succinctly than my previous post - 'This'.

Just fail on fail on fail with this one.

"Wade Phillips is a better NFL Head Coach than Bill Cowher"

He has to.

I honestly wouldn't want to be the team that took O'Brien away from Penn State. Not after the preaching he's done to these kids that could've walked away from their scholarships about family, team and trials. Not after he's played the only card he really has - loyalty - to keep so many of these kids in town.

No, I don't want to be the team, and I'm not sure I want the man, that leaves Penn State after 1 year. Not under these circumstances and not with how he's sold the program.

I am very curious about him as well. I was reading a little about him and thought this was funny.