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KCJake 01-08-2007 12:56 PM

[QUOTE=Halfcan]Cut down on the number of plays???

Instead of Run right, left, then middle-we go to run it up the middle every time.
QUOTE]

Yeah no shit! ROFL

Mr. Laz 01-08-2007 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX
My take, Mr. Laz, is that the "learning the passing game" comment is more Hermjawflappage. He has to say something, you know. I mean, to explain why we sucked so much.

An argument can be made that many coaches and assistants and coordinators are overpaid, but that's not the context, as I see it.

The bottom line is that, your OC had better know how to design game plans that include an effective passing strategy. That's pretty basic stuff. Especially if the enemy is expecting the run. If not, you really shouldn't be paying him a dime.

FAX

let's hope you are correct, Mr. Fax.


... scratch that


let's hope and pray that you are correct, Mr. Fax

Mr. Laz 01-08-2007 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu
I'm not saying that learning the passing game is easy enough for an internet QB like you or me to figure out, I'm saying that Mike Solari has been an offensive coach in this league for well over a decade and I don't think it's a stretch for him to figure it out. As a line coach, he's had to coach the line on passing plays as well as running plays. It's not like he was only aware of running plays. How could a WR coach like Al Saunders ever grasp the running game in his first year as a coordinator?

i understand, but Al saunders has been in this offensive system for years ... clear back to Dan Fouts. He's been wide receivers coach,assistant head coach,head coach ... all with basically the same offensive system.




~Al Saunders (partial bio)

Al Saunders played Defensive Back at San Jose State University (SJSU) from 1966-1968 where he was a three-year starter, team captain and Academic All-American. Saunders also played Wide Receiver for the San Jose State Spartans.

In the 1970's, Al Saunders joined the coaching staff at San Diego State University (SDSU), whose SDSU Aztecs were then under the control of Head Coach Don Coryell. Saunders would go with Coryell to NFL when Coryell became the Head Coach of the San Diego Chargers.

From 1983-1986, Saunders was the wide receivers coach for the Chargers.

He was tapped as the Charger's Interim Head Coach when Coryell resigned during the middle of the 1986 season.

Saunders would eventually replace Coryell as the Head Coach from 1986-1988.

From 1989-1998, Saunders was with the Kansas City Chiefs, where he served as the Assistant Head Coach and Wide Receivers Coach under Marty Schottenheimer.

Saunders would then join the St. Louis Rams coaching staff. From 1999-2000 he served as the Wide Receivers Coach under Dick Vermeil and later as Assistant Head Coach under Mike Martz. During this period, the Rams won Super Bowl XXXIV in 2000.

Saunders would rejoin the Kansas City Chiefs in 2001 as the Offensive Coordinator when Vermeil came out of retirement. In his second stint with the Chiefs, Saunders built the NFL's top offense, which was ranked #1 in the NFL from 2002-2005.

On January 19, 2006, he joined the coaching staff of the Washington Redskins as the Associate Head Coach - Offense, reuniting him with fellow "Air Coryell" alumn
~

Easy 6 01-08-2007 02:17 PM

Jaws just nailed it on ESPN "no motion, no creativity of formation, no trickery" as plain as vanilla pudding.

dannybcaitlyn 01-08-2007 02:17 PM

How about the patriots offensive scheme? There backup receivers look like stars during the jets game. Seems like it takes like two years for our receivers to even get a grasp on our current system.

KCJohnny 01-08-2007 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free
Jaws just nailed it on ESPN "no motion, no creativity of formation, no trickery" as plain as vanilla pudding.

No trickery? You mean just lining up in the I-Formation and handing it to Larry wasn't clever? I was stunned at how few PA passes were attempted. At least fake the fake, y'know?

GoHuge 01-08-2007 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC
Sure, they had talent, but that's not the issue. They had a lot of young players who didn't know the system.....yet immediately learned it and were able to execute it flawlessly...and Herm is telling us that's impossible...

So does this mean our young guys are all stupid? Please don't tell me the reason that Jeff Webb can't get on the field is he's too dumb to figure out the offense. WTF difference does it make? The guys that know it can't catch anyway. HERM!! STFU I'll just stop now.

Easy 6 01-08-2007 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny
No trickery? You mean just lining up in the I-Formation and handing it to Larry wasn't clever? I was stunned at how few PA passes were attempted. At least fake the fake, y'know?

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I'm in full agreeance KCJ, thats why i REFUSE to be shouted down around here by some who think the players should be able to make ANY turdburger the coaches throw out work to perfection.

*in the voice of the goombah who wacked Pesci in Goodfellas*

And THATS THAT...

PastorMikH 01-08-2007 05:00 PM

From the sounds of this article, next season we will be even more "vanilla" [cough]predictable[/cough] than this season. If so, next season is already a loss.




I'm thinking that we need to get 15 OL, all over 300# that can run 4.7 or faster, 3 more RB's and a couple of fast QBs - they don't need an arm or accurate pass 'cause they won't be throwing.

Here's the plan...

We line up a QB (Only needed for option play or choosing which RB gets the ball), 2 RB, and 8 OL. That way, we can force our will to run on any opponent.

We could put in turf for better footing and call our new O "3 yards and a cloud of lint".

dirk digler 01-08-2007 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free
Jaws just nailed it on ESPN "no motion, no creativity of formation, no trickery" as plain as vanilla pudding.

Damn I didn't even recognize that.

Saunders always used shifting and motion and try to trick the D.

Alright Herm and Solari need to be....well I can't really say it in public.

Silock 01-08-2007 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC
Yeah, let's do take a look at Detroit. Completely changing schemes, going from a West Coast offense to a Coryell offense, Detroit improved quite a bit -- 40 yards per game and 4 points per game. Yeah, the offense is just too ****ing hard to learn...

Improved, but far from the best in the league. It's Detroit... how hard can it possibly be to improve that offense?

Silock 01-08-2007 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC
When was this team ever FAST? This team was certainly not built on speed. We were setting records on offense despite one of the worst WR corps in the league. Under the old regime, the offense was greater than the sum of their parts. No longer. It's that simple.

Fine, call it mobility.

KCJohnny 01-08-2007 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free
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I'm in full agreeance KCJ, thats why i REFUSE to be shouted down around here by some who think the players should be able to make ANY turdburger the coaches throw out work to perfection.

*in the voice of the goombah who wacked Pesci in Goodfellas*

And THATS THAT...

You're a Long Tabber or a Ranger, right? I'm 82nd. There are people on here with 50,000 posts who are basically PC nerds that guard this place like it was mama's purse. I come here to talk football a few times a year. I appreciate what you and all others who want to talk football have to say.
:toast:

A Soldier knows that a turd of an operation plan is rarely rescued by heroic fighting alone.

Baby Lee 01-08-2007 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny
You're a Long Tabber or a Ranger, right? I'm 82nd. There are people on here with 50,000 posts who are basically PC nerds that guard this place like it was mama's purse. I come here to talk football a few times a year. I appreciate what you and all others who want to talk football have to say.
:toast:

A Soldier knows that a turd of an operation plan is rarely rescued by heroic fighting alone.

Crank up the oven, Ma.
Monday night is PIE NIGHT!!!

KCJohnny 01-08-2007 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee
Crank up the oven, Ma.
Monday night is PIE NIGHT!!!

PC Nerd.


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