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Originally Posted by bkkcoh

...I can understand why the founding fathers didn't really like democracy for the majority of things. Democracy requires the public to be somewhat informed...

Well, you're certainly somewhat informed.

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

Well, you're certainly somewhat informed.

Last I checked, the United States of America was founded as a REPUBLIC.

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Originally Posted by Simplex3

It's hugely different. It's possible for me to keep my knife to myself. It's not possible for a smoker to do the same.

You can avoid my smoke the same as I avoid your knife. You can go to a restaurant that doesn't allow smoking. If you HAVE to eat at that smoking restaurant, you can eat on the other side of the building where the smokers don't sit. You may smell it, but let's not act like it's in your face and so constricting that you couldn't eat. It's an inconvenience to you, and that's enough for you to vote for a law. That's your right. It doesn't feel good reading that though does it? That's why everyone screams about health implications. They don't want to sound like pussies. JMO.

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

Within 5-10 minutes of being around smoke my eyes start to swell. My throat tightens. If I'm exposed to it longer than a half our or so I'll have an asthma attack. If I am exposed to it for more than a couple of hours then I'll can literally be sick with bronchitis for a couple of weeks.

You can imagine it's all in my head all you want. I wish it were. Unfortunately for me it's in my chest.

I don't smoke, but I'd be willing to come over to your house and take up the habit.

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

I never said it was in your head. I understand. Stay away from restaurant or bar smoking sections. Here in LA they are starting to ban smoking outside! I think that is totally ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Last I checked, the United States of America was founded as a REPUBLIC.

Uh, yeah. If you'll read back a few posts, that was my point.

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Originally Posted by Mr Flopnuts

That's a crock of shit. You're telling me that you're more concerned with the possible dangers of 2nd hand smoke 40 years from now, than you are with people who die in the ****ing blink of an eye because some jackass was out drinking and driving? Wow.

No, not more concerned. Smoking doesn't impact me 40 years from now it impacts me NOW. Smoking is legal. Drunk driving isn't. Smoking will remain legal but the smokers might be limited to their residence and their car. That doesn't ban them from smoking.

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Originally Posted by bogey

I never said it was in your head. I understand. Stay away from restaurant or bar smoking sections. Here in LA they are starting to ban smoking outside! I think that is totally ridiculous.

I try to stay away. But in KC there are MANY restaurants where you have to walk through the smoking sections to get TO the non-smoking sections. Thus, we don't go to restaurants in KC and we would LOVE to do so.

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

I don't smoke, but I'd be willing to come over to your house and take up the habit.

That's nice.

I could hope the same on you but then that would make me LIKE you. I'll pass.

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

Actually there is a movement in California to ban smoking in residences as well.

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

Actually there is a movement in California to ban smoking in residences as well.

THAT is out of control. BOO.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You CLEARLY don't understand what is at stake in the smoking bans.

I clearly don't understand? GFY you self-righteous, sanctimonious, pus-sucking, festering, vile wedge of asscheese.

I've watched several family members die from it. I understand completely. It's why I quit.

Where we disagree, you fu*king ignorant and presumptuous busybody, is that it's the governments job to dictate what others should or should not be allowed to do with their property when it comes to a legal behavior. I prefer to leave choices to the individual, you want Nanny Sam to dictate your view to everyone.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Do you know ANYTHING about health insurance? The upward spiral of insuring the elderly? The more than 400,000 people who are hospitalized each year with smoking-related illnesses?

Why is health insurance on the continual rise? Because of smoking-related illnesses. Who pays for these smokers?

The American public.

How? Through higher insurance premiums as well as Medicare and state Medicaid.

Once a smoker with a pre-determined condition is no longer employed by a company that has group health-care, that person has almost NO chance of securing health insurance.

The result? The American people foot the bill. More importantly, the 82% of the American People who DO NOT SMOKE.

So, what can state and local governments do to reduce the number of smoking-related deaths and illnesses? Well for starters, how about banning smoking in public places, like shopping malls, bars and restaurants.

This issue is FAR deeper than just "letting the business owners decide" or just "Go Somewhere Else".

It's a matter of public safety, whether you're aware of it or not.

Actually, It's a matter of property rights and manipulating government to prohibit behaviors you personally detest, but don't let that stop you from getting indignant and claiming otherwise.

Sorry, but your other rants have made it all to clear your main problem with it is that there would be places you would have to avoid going. Why? Because they would permit smoking and thus must be forced to change to accommodate you. It's too late to play the "think of the children" card, and expect anyone to buy it.

BTW- I'm still waiting for you to answer my question about who "Forced" you or your dumbass sidekick meme to go to an establishment that permitted smoking? Why didn't you file criminal charges against whoever "forced" you to go to these places? Right...because you CHOSE to go, and then CHOSE to whine about the behaviors the management permitted. And in your case, you CHOSE to stay at the Fox and Hound sucking down secondhand smoke. Brilliant!

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

Actually there is a movement in California to ban smoking in residences as well.

they just put in weed vending machines.

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

THAT is out of control. BOO.

Yes, it is.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../BA1BS4NJH.DTL

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Originally Posted by penchief

Which one does your opinion represent? The smoker or the business owner?

Because if you represented the business owner you would only have to look at the data to see that wherever these bans have been enforced, businesses have prospered. Plus, offering services to the public doesn't come without responsibilities.

Also, that low class person could get a "real break," like being educated in a quality public school by teachers who are well-compensated for sowing the seeds of imagination and possibility within our ALL of our youth. Instead, she has to accept whatever menial job she can get and has to breathe in carcinogens all day because she is too proud to be on welfare and wants her children to have more options than she has.

Show me numbers that confirm that outside of NY and LA. They aren't there. Matter of fact, here's an article from MD. It's pretty fair on both sides of the fence. Some business did better, others went under. That's ok though that someone loses their dream business, as long as you don't have to smell smoke.

http://somd.com/news/headlines/2007/5738.shtml