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DeezNutz 04-11-2009 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by KCBOSS1 (Post 5660868)
Even Grbac looked good there and look how stellar he was for us.
:spock:

When he started all of 5 games in '95 and 4 games in '96? And he wasn't really worth a shit in '96, too.

CrazyHorse 04-11-2009 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 5660859)
And we didn't win squat with Green and that line.

I'm not interested in building a good team. I'm interested in building a championship team.
Championship teams have to play defense. Ask any great QB.

KCBOSS1 04-11-2009 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse (Post 5660875)
He choked down the stretch last year. Probably the hangover. Cost Shanny his job.

He's a loose cannnon.

His offense was top 2 or 3 in moving the ball but 16th in scoring.
OK, point well made. But he's a pro bowl quarterback. Don't throw him away as a no-count. The whole scenario is not played out. You may very well be right.

Reaper16 04-11-2009 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse (Post 5660886)
Championship teams have to play defense. Ask any great QB.
I don't think that having a stout defense and a franchise QB are mutually exclusive.

KCBOSS1 04-11-2009 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse (Post 5660886)
Championship teams have to play defense. Ask any great QB.
Kinda made my point about Cutler here. I'm also for drafting Curry now, by the way.

CrazyHorse 04-11-2009 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by KCBOSS1 (Post 5660904)
Kinda made my point about Cutler here. I'm also for drafting Curry now, by the way.
Great QBs dont throw picks in the red zone. Or get hammered before games. Nor do they throw team mates under the bus after a loss. You dont expect much from your QB I can see. Just throw a fast ball and your "one of the greats".

I would like us to draft Curry if we stay at 3.

Now that we have signed Zack Thomas or LB needs are solved.:rolleyes:

What's that all about?

Mecca 04-11-2009 08:42 PM
Brett Favre got hammered before games...

KCBOSS1 04-11-2009 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5660883)
:spock:

When he started all of 5 games in '95 and 4 games in '96? And he wasn't really worth a shit in '96, too.
I was being sarcastic.....

CrazyHorse 04-11-2009 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5660949)
Brett Favre got hammered before games...
Didn't know that. I certainly dont see that as an arguement for success as an NFL QB. It's a problem. That only means he could have been better.

Maybe Cutler will be the next Favre. He definately hasn't "arrived" up to this point. He's looking like the next Jeff George to me. But I've been wrong before.

chiefzilla1501 04-11-2009 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by KCBOSS1 (Post 5660904)
Kinda made my point about Cutler here. I'm also for drafting Curry now, by the way.
It's a reach to pick any 3-4 ILB in the top 5. I don't understand why people think Curry is a no-brainer. The Chiefs are obviously transitioning into a 3-4 and will probably play it exclusively within the next 2-3 years. Curry is a borderline top 5 pick in a 4-3, but he's an enormous reach in a 3-4.

I realize the options are limited. But I think you get a lot better value with an average nose tackle like Raji or an average 3-4 OLB like Everett Brown than you do with a terrific 3-4 ILB like Curry.

KCBOSS1 04-11-2009 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse (Post 5660938)
Great QBs dont throw picks in the red zone. Or get hammered before games. Nor do they throw team mates under the bus after a loss. You dont expect much from your QB I can see. Just throw a fast ball and your "one of the greats".

I would like us to draft Curry if we stay at 3.

Now that we have signed Zack Thomas or LB needs are solved.:rolleyes:

What's that all about?
I don't think I every said he was "one of the greats".... Just that he was a pro bowler. He's not a bust.

I'm still on board for Curry too. I don't get the Zack Thomas signing at all unless they are looking for a player coach, which may very well be. That would be actually brilliant. Ok, we'll go with that.

Pioli Zombie 04-11-2009 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by KCBOSS1 (Post 5660478)
I realize that we are where we are, but the more I see about Sanchez, the more I'm afraid that a few years down the road, we may look back and realize that we passed up on the franchise guy that we've been looking for. I know that Cassel played ok last year, but is he a franchise guy? ...likely not. Thoughts?
Oh **** me with a broken bottle
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chiefzilla1501 04-11-2009 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 5660873)
Really? Do you think moss had a moment after Brady went down that he thought, the season's over, might as well phone in the rest of the season? I'm not saying this happed but it's possible, and as the season went along Moss and the rest of the team saw that Cassel could play well?

I watched Cassel play, and I don't think he was a "system" player, or just relying on the talent around him. He made plays work that weren't working. He wasn't just throwing to wide open receivers all day. He was making accurate passes sometimes on the run, because the o-line wasn't that good for them last year.
The problem is that people assume that because Brady excelled in the system, that means anybody can.

Brady makes that system great. The Pats' o-line is not good. Brady makes them look better because he makes lightning fast reads and can read a blitz from a mile away.

Yes, it's true that players like Moss and Welker are outstanding receivers. But the Pats' o-line is fairly average behind any quarterback not named Tom Brady.

KCBOSS1 04-11-2009 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5660996)
It's a reach to pick any 3-4 ILB in the top 5. I don't understand why people think Curry is a no-brainer. The Chiefs are obviously transitioning into a 3-4 and will probably play it exclusively within the next 2-3 years. Curry is a borderline top 5 pick in a 4-3, but he's an enormous reach in a 3-4.

I realize the options are limited. But I think you get a lot better value with an average nose tackle like Raji or an average 3-4 OLB like Everett Brown than you do with a terrific 3-4 ILB like Curry.
#3 is too high of a pick for a nose tackle. It's got to be a game changer type player risk to me, or franchise left tackle, which we may already have like some have said. Curry is a game changer type athlete.

CrazyHorse 04-11-2009 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by KCBOSS1 (Post 5660892)
OK, point well made. But he's a pro bowl quarterback. Don't throw him away as a no-count. The whole scenario is not played out. You may very well be right.
I see the talent. But think he's over rated. Phillip Rivers should have went to the pro bowl in his place. But there's no doubt Cutler has talent. If he can get his ego under control, you may very well be right. If not, he'll self destruct.


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