well this IS coming from a raider fan correct?

And what if Cassel regresses?

This is why I don't put 1 year starters in the top 10 at QB, possible 1 year wonder, regression. It's a position that requires consistency to be at the top.

funny eli's team wins a super bowl and now he's a great qb.

Yeah, I see it. I would agree with that. I still think that Carson, restored will be top 10. I would have been doing cart wheels if we would have gotten Carson Palmer, but that's just me. I think he is system impaired and perpertually running for his life.

You're right.

Stats are irrelevent without context.

However, I will say that Eli Manning is the other QB that is easily replacable among your list of top ten QBs.

I can't see any QB at this point who would replace him, but should Rogers, Ryan, and, yes, Cassel all have a another good year, they could knock him off that list.

The fact is, outside the top 4, maybe 5, the remaing names on that list are not all that good.

no it doesnt. we arent talking all time here. we are talking right now.

Jason is going to skewer you...he thinks Cassel is better than Palmer.

We don't have enough track record on Cassel to know what he really is yet.

huh? what has he ever won? has he won a playoff game? he has had 2 of the BEST wrs in the game and still didnt do jack shit(more cassel bashes)

I think Manning is ascending he's improving a lot, and I'd wager he plays with the worst group of WR's of any of the top of the line QB's.

The Giants have a lot riding on Hakeem Nicks this year.

I totally agree about the stats thing too. If you're on a team with a lousy defense, you have to throw the ball a lot. That's a stat padder. Kitna was not a top 10 quarterback, but he was constantly throwing the ball after the first 5 minutes because the Lions were always behind. Good fantasy player.

ROFL he had plax. when plax was gone he regressed. but a top flight QB shouldnt right, i mean you and others have said that if cassel doesnt have a monster year the move was totally bad. so in your opinion a top flight qb should be able to overcome anything right, throw it catch it run it make all the defensive and special teams tackles

last year?

Calm down, I just like the guy. But when you've got no line, even with having two great receivers, you still have to be spot on. I have seen him make some throws live that I haven't seen anybody else make.

Oh for the love of christ, I give up.

I do love Jason's double talk though "What has Palmer ever won? "Just because Eli won a bowl?"

You don't get to make contradicting statements like that pick one...but we can say this. Carson Palmer took the ****ing Bengals to the playoffs. Cassel didn't make the playoffs with a team that went 16-0 the previous year.