Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7459729)

Ridiculous. If his upside was that high the Panthers would be all over him, and Buffalo and AZ would be trying to move up to grab him.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7459717)

I think Ryan has the highest upside, but the thing you have to remember is sometimes a QB is the whole of a QB is greater then the sum of his parts. Montana for example wouldn't be a guy that ever graded out extremely highly in a combine type atomosphere. Sometime guys have the tools, like Tim Couch, but just never quite put it together for whatever reason which is why I like to see a little more success out of a QB like Gabbert in college. You can only put so much on players around him. Ryan did a pretty damn good job with the crap they put around him at BC.

I think you are probably giving a little more credit then he deserves do to being an MU fan. If MU starts producing top of the line talent over a decade or so(like they have the last 3 years) you will be a little more critical of their NFL prospects I predict.

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 7459783)

And Kaepernick is half the QB.

Newton is unquestionably going to be drafted in the first. You think teams are going to reach for Kaepernick in the first? If not, then your whole theory of Kaepernick being drafted before Newton is reeruned.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7459800)

I said both go in the 2nd earlier.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7459764)

So is Mallett I doubt a team risk a fat contract and 1st round pick on such unstable guys. Coaches don't want to have to deal with the off the field crap these guys bring. Kaepernick brings what Newton does minus the baggage.

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 7459805)

I dont really care where you think Newton is going to be drafted.

I dont think Gabbert is going to be drafted til, at earliest, #21.

I can do it too, see?

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7459811)

That is my point. I said I THINK both will go in the 2nd which I why I think Kaepernick goes before Newton.


I didn't realize predictions were off limit in draft threads. My bad.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7459810)

This is a QB.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7459810)

There's a difference between Newton's play for pay speculation and suggestions that Mallet used/s drugs.

Some team will take a chance on Newton.

Reggie Bush, a RB, went #2 overall even though teams were aware even then that there were rumors about his accepting "gifts" at USC.

This is a QB.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7459816)

Which makes character even more important and he seems to have issues beyond the pay to play.

It's just a huge investment in taking this guy in the 1st and if you miss it might set you back 4-5 years if you aren't willing to cut your losses if he doens't pan out. I wouldn't risk that on this guy now.

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 7459818)

To be fair to Newton. He has yet to be linked to accepting gifts. That's his father. I'm gonna guess when a team picks Cam that his father isn't going to be up there holding the jersey with him.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7459822)

Since it's almost a given that a rookie salary scale will be in place when these guys sign, the risk is not nearly as high as it has been in the past.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7459826)

That's why I referred to it as speculation.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7459791)

His upside is Ben Roethlisberger, minus the character issues. I'm not saying he'll hit that, but that's his ability level if he pans out.

You have him #1 on your board, so what do you think his upside is?

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7459834)

His college play reminds me of Alex Smith.