Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 7752065)

Did you read the OP? It says 120. If you want to say 123 ok. Do a little math and you will find that you are left with 111 mil. So there might be 1 mil difference.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7751873)

I'm definitely going to push back on the slot receiver part. I think this team is best built to win by a power running game and a dominating defense, and a passing game good enough to not lose games. Until Cassel proves otherwise, that's my feeling. If that's the case, I don't agree with loading the field with options our QB has no idea what to do with. Breaston would still be #4 behind Bowe, Baldwin, Moeaki, and often times even Charles. I don't see Cassel throwing for more than 3,500 yards in any given season. You'd expect Bowe, Baldwin, and Moeaki to account for about 2,500 of those. The RBs to account for probably 500. How much is there really leftover for a slot?

I'd be fine with a guy like Breaston if we had a Brees type QB who can put up over 4,000 yards. But given that Cassel + our love of running the ball is probably going to limit Cassel to about 200 yards a game, I think overspending on a slot is a waste.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7752083)

I just don't see it. I think the Chiefs rely on a totally different kind of attack. They want to control the ball and keep the defense off the field. That's why you have a lot of big boys like Bowe and Baldwin who are threats to go deep, but much bigger threats in a possession type attack. The Chiefs don't mind dinking and dunking and running time off the clock. Different from the Pats, who didn't mind at all chucking the ball downfield.

As the Chiefs get better on defense, the Chiefs are going to run teh ball even more. That's not a knock on Cassel. Big Ben has had a lot of sub 3500 yard seasons too.

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 7752115)

I disagree. When Cassel put up those numbers with the Patriots, he almost never connected downfield. A LOT of those yards came after the catch. Which, if you ask me, is what the Chiefs are trying to build their passing game to be. They already have 4 guys who can run after the catch, in Bowe, Baldwin, Moeaki and Charles. A good slot excels at racking up RAC yards.

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 7752087)

Anybody can throw for 3500 plus in this league. If Haley gets a bug up his ass, he'll hit it easily. It's all about efficiency though. Hell, that POS Orton was on pace for about 5 grand at one point. Mostly "empty" yards though, so...

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7752135)

No way teams even think of defending us the same way if we have Breaston and Baldwin in the huddle.

Nobody would dare putting 8 in the box against that lineup.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7752012)

Like I said, you can use that argument for anyone. The fact is, you're not going to put world beaters on your team at every single position. And as milkman has pointed out, and it's true, we're going to have a TON of people we have to re-sign in the next few years. If that's the case, you have to prioritize who you want to spend your money on. A slot receiver is a role playing position. David Harris, on the other hand, is a shutdown run-stopper. Even if we struggle at Nose Tackle, he's going to plug up the interior run. And he's a good blitzing LB. How many times last season did our interior run defense completely disappear?

Here's the way I see it. As a running offense, we are already awesome. As an overall defense, we have potential to be great. If we get good play from a NT and LOLB, we can be every bit as good as the Steelers on D. Our pass offense? No matter how much we stack the deck, we still have a QB who could limit the Chiefs from being great.

If we bring in Breaston, we are essentially asking Cassel to be the guy who wins games for us. If we bring in Harris, we're on our way to becoming a scary overall defense. Add that to a terrific running game and now all of a sudden, you only ask Cassel to manage games to victory.

If the Chiefs had Drew Brees, no question you go after Breaston. But with Cassel, I'd rather choose to be great and whenever possible, not ask him to put up over 20 points a game.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7752078)

Our trailer is hitched to Cassel. Which is why I'd rather the Chiefs use a formula similar to the Jets. The Jets are so dominant a running team and a defense that they don't ask Sanchez to do much.

The Chiefs CAN be dominant on defense. And they CAN be and already are terrific on run offense. The pass offense is always going to be limited by Cassel. So yeah... I'd rather spend toward being awesome on defense and passable on pass offense, then to be solid but not dominant on defense and good not great on pass offense.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7752149)

The problem is, this is a QB league.

I don't care how good our run game is, at some point the game will be put on Cassel's shoulders, and when that happens, I want him to have options.

The best way for him to succeed is to provide him enough weapons.
If you do that, and he fails, then you know with absolute certainty that he isn't the guy, and I want to know that as soon as possible.

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 7752155)

This theory? Your own words :D....


He's stepping it up, and I was wrong about him

Regardless of who and when we bring another QB prospect in, if he's a rook, he will have a phenomenal mentor to learn from in terms of preparation and the work side of things.

Originally Posted by DarthCarlSatan (Post 7752158)

Mother****er.:D

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7752135)

No way teams even think of defending us the same way if we have Breaston and Baldwin in the huddle.

Nobody would dare putting 8 in the box against that lineup.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7752149)

The problem is, this is a QB league.

I don't care how good our run game is, at some point the game will be put on Cassel's shoulders, and when that happens, I want him to have options.

The best way for him to succeed is to provide him enough weapons.
If you do that, and he fails, then you know with absolute certainty that he isn't the guy, and I want to know that as soon as possible.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7752277)

Same would be true if you put Baldwin in and any slot receiver who is better than horrible.

You can upgrade to an average slot receiver at a fraction of the cost and tremendously upgrade your pass offense. Still, while it's nice to give Cassel another weapon, the fact is that the greatest weapon we can give to Cassel is to avoid asking him to consistently make big plays.

I know Breaston makes this team better. I'm saying that David Harris makes this team very close to terrific.