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58kcfan89 11-22-2011 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 8133667)
How does having a guy like Palko make sense in the first place? Logical sense? IMO, the only reason they didn't sign a vet backup is because they didn't wanna hurt Cassel's fragile ego.
I'm not saying having Palko anywhere near an NFL roster makes sense. And I tend to agree on your reasoning.

I just don't see how bringing Orton in would have anything to do with the front office's faith in Cassel, unless they were to sign Orton to a contract extension. If Cassel were healthy & we were having this discussion, I could see it. Since he's on IR, I see it as a "we don't like Palko" rather than anything to do with Casshole.

R8RFAN 11-22-2011 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8133675)
I would also like to see Baldwin continue to develop.

I'm sorry, but captain popgun and his ultimate frisby delivery is not going to help in the development of Jonathan Baldwin.

Orton could help us continue to develop Baldwin and allow our WR corps to continue to build chemistry, not to mention give Albert, Asomoah and I'm sure Hudson (and yes, even Lilja) a much better quarterback to block for, which would allow them to gel a little bit more for next season as well. Those guys learn nothing about playing as a unit when they're blocking for a mad scrambler that wants to throw checkdowns all day. If anything, they'd pick up bad habits for 2012.

I'm sorry, but folks that are loudly against an Orton look are just shouting for the sake of doing so. I've been as vocal a 'draft a QB guy' as any, but Orton doesn't preclude that. Further, Orton would allow us to actually get something out of the last 1/2 of this season whereas Palko would just be marking time.

And yeah, I'd love to see us get Stanzi the PT, but it's not going to happen for whatever reason. The options are pretty obviously Orton or Palko. When those are your choices...you really don't have any choices. It's Orton in a landslide.
The shouts are so loud because they are more concerned at how the Donk fans will laugh if he fails...

Most of the fans here would rather lose than take what they perceive as other teams trash

BoneKrusher 11-22-2011 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8133684)
The Chicago Tribune and Fox Sports' Jay Glazer both report the Bears do indeed plan to put in a claim for Orton
yeah, they just better hope the Chiefs don't spoil it.

ShowtimeSBMVP 11-22-2011 04:58 PM
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R8RFAN 11-22-2011 04:59 PM
Hell washington may take him

DJ's left nut 11-22-2011 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8133680)
How the hell does Orton help Baldwin grow? The guy got beat out by Rex Grossman and Tim Tebow. Check his stats they are the same as Cassel's.
He actually took the job from Grossman before a mediocre start and an injury gave it back to Grossman.

And no, he didn't get beat out by Tebow either; that was based on draft status and 'politics' (much as Cassel being the starter was, or Tyson Jackson, or any number of other examples in the NFL).

Orton is actually a pretty accurate, pretty willing downfield passer. Look what he did for the development of Brandon Lloyd.

Orton's a competent NFL quarterback. He's not great, but he's competent. That's enough to help the progression of a rookie WR a great deal.

You're not really this thick are you? Do you truly believe that only Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers would help develop Baldwin? Kyle Orton had a 2-1 TD/INT ratio and threw for about 3,700 yds/season w/ a completion% over 60% and a passer rating of 87 in his 2 seasons as a Broncos starter. That's definitely an adquate NFL quarterback and it can go a long way in the development of a raw rookie wideout like Baldwin.

Oh wait, I'm talking to Billay here. Yeah, you're just stupid enough to believe the shit you're shoveling. Nevermind.

007 11-22-2011 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8133681)
Hunt was done writing checks before this season.
FYP

Extra Point 11-22-2011 05:01 PM
This is more about training Stanzi, than it is anything else. Put Orton on the roster, suck up renting his ass, get the Denver playbook, get the knowledge from playing AFCW opponents, and let him go, next season. In the right place, this guy can do things.

If Chicago wants him, great. If they take him, maybe Zorn and his wife can meet Orton and his wife for dinner. And a lot of drinks.

Chiefs Pantalones 11-22-2011 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8133680)
How the hell does Orton help Baldwin grow? The guy got beat out by Rex Grossman and Tim Tebow. Check his stats they are the same as Cassel's.
Orton had guys that made circus catches like Marshall and Lloyd. He could just throw it to them. I don't know why Cassel didn't do this with Baldwin and Bowe more often. I know that's not important and it's sad that we are discussing having a QB that simply just knows how to throw the ball up to guys, but that's the situation we're in sadly lol.

orange 11-22-2011 05:02 PM
The way Hollywood has been scripting the Broncos the last few years, it seems inevitable that Orton becomes a Chief.

Tebow vs. Orton, week 17, playoffs on the line. Roll 'em!

ChiefsCountry 11-22-2011 05:02 PM
Orton would give us a better QB but we are still not winning the next 4. Signing gives us a slight chance at beating the Raiders or Broncos but thats about it. Still we need a veteran QB on the roster that could start for us if need to. Palko is just fodder and Stanzi is just a 5th round pick.

Extra Point 11-22-2011 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 8133704)
Orton had guys that made circus catches like Marshall and Lloyd. He could just throw it to them. I don't know why Cassel didn't do this with Baldwin and Bowe more often. I know that's not important and it's sad that we are discussing having a QB that simply just knows how to throw the ball up to guys, but that's the situation we're in sadly lol.
Good point. Cassel, nor Palko, have any touch on the ball. Stanzi does. Orton, sure as shit, does, too.

The Franchise 11-22-2011 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8133699)
He actually took the job from Grossman before a mediocre start and an injury gave it back to Grossman.

And no, he didn't get beat out by Tebow either; that was based on draft status and 'politics' (much as Cassel being the starter was, or Tyson Jackson, or any number of other examples in the NFL).

Orton is actually a pretty accurate, pretty willing downfield passer. Look what he did for the development of Brandon Lloyd.

Orton's a competent NFL quarterback. He's not great, but he's competent. That's enough to help the progression of a rookie WR a great deal.

You're not really this thick are you? Do you truly believe that only Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers would help develop Baldwin? Kyle Orton had a 2-1 TD/INT ratio and threw for about 3,700 yds/season w/ a completion% over 60% and a passer rating of 87 in his 2 seasons as a Broncos starter. That's definitely an adquate NFL quarterback and it can go a long way in the development of a raw rookie wideout like Baldwin.

Oh wait, I'm talking to Billay here. Yeah, you're just stupid enough to believe the shit you're shoveling. Nevermind.
This.

Does anyone think Bowe is going to want to stay here if he's repeatedly thrown to by a reeruned monkey? You know he's going to get progressively more upset every week that they shuffle Palko out there to throw him the ball.

Titty Meat 11-22-2011 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8133699)
He actually took the job from Grossman before a mediocre start and an injury gave it back to Grossman.

And no, he didn't get beat out by Tebow either; that was based on draft status and 'politics' (much as Cassel being the starter was, or Tyson Jackson, or any number of other examples in the NFL).

Orton is actually a pretty accurate, pretty willing downfield passer. Look what he did for the development of Brandon Lloyd.

Orton's a competent NFL quarterback. He's not great, but he's competent. That's enough to help the progression of a rookie WR a great deal.

You're not really this thick are you? Do you truly believe that only Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers would help develop Baldwin? Kyle Orton had a 2-1 TD/INT ratio and threw for about 3,700 yds/season w/ a completion% over 60% and a passer rating of 87 in his 2 seasons as a Broncos starter. That's definitely an adquate NFL quarterback and it can go a long way in the development of a raw rookie wideout like Baldwin.

Oh wait, I'm talking to Billay here. Yeah, you're just stupid enough to believe the shit you're shoveling. Nevermind.
Why so defensive? Oh wait it's DJ the know it all who gets his beef curtains in a knot whenever someone disagrees with his bullshit opinions.

Elway has openly stated that Tebow isn't the guy so if Orton was worth a **** he'd still be the starter on the team.

A guy who doesn't even know the playbook with 5 weeks left is going to coming in here and really help out Baldwin? LMAO

We should do everything in our power to acquire an average at best QB so we don't have to risk drafting one in the first round. It makes perfect sense.

Hammock Parties 11-22-2011 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8133713)
This.

Does anyone think Bowe is going to want to stay here if he's repeatedly thrown to by a reeruned monkey? You know he's going to get progressively more upset every week that they shuffle Palko out there to throw him the ball.
He had 7 catches for 87 yards.

He's going to be fine, and will be franchised.


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