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Donger 08-17-2012 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8826636)
Gee, I wonder where the 80% that didn't hit him went? Stray bullets will hit innocent people regardless of who fired the weapon.

Doesn't sound like it in this case, does it?

petegz28 08-17-2012 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 8826644)
Doesn't sound like it in this case, does it?

Luckily.

DJ's left nut 08-17-2012 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8826630)
Not hard to hit a target when it's laying on the ground.

There's not a number that could be given that would appease your angst, so the answer is really irrelevant is it not?

But you're right, I'm sure he went down after the first shot and this was just a bunch of bloodthirsty murderers with badges that put another 9 rounds into him after he hit the ground.

petegz28 08-17-2012 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8826650)
There's not a number that could be given that would appease your angst, so the answer is really irrelevant is it not?

But you're right, I'm sure he went down after the first shot and this was just a bunch of bloodthirsty murderers with badges that put another 9 rounds into him after he hit the ground.

Your argument makes little sense. At least 14 shots were fired after he was down. Why?

Donger 08-17-2012 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8826656)
Your argument makes little sense. At least 14 shots were fired after he was down. Why?

I would imagine that the adrenaline was pumping at slightly elevated levels, don't you? They're just human cops. Not Robocops.

Or, to channel Eddie Murphy, SuperCops.

Black Bob 08-17-2012 05:33 PM

Anyone see the footage of the South American cops open up on striking miners last night? It is rough man. Like 18 guys mowed down from 50 feet.

vailpass 08-17-2012 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8826666)
Anyone see the footage of the South American cops open up on striking miners last night? It is rough man. Like 18 guys mowed down from 50 feet.

That'll teach 'em to stop digging.

DJ's left nut 08-17-2012 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8826656)
Your argument makes little sense. At least 14 shots were fired after he was down. Why?

You're the one accusing these men and women of murder, I'd say the burden is yours to carry.

My theory - adrenaline, pure and simple. Shots were fired and in the span of about 3 seconds they put a bunch of lead in the air. You count 14 shots or so after he fell and that's fine, but we're talking 6 people, right? And a pistol with a fast finger is going to put out a couple rounds in a second.

So in essence, due to the shock of a 'fight or flight' mechanism kicking in a mere 3/4 seconds prior, 6 people pulled their triggers another second or so longer, leading to your 14 rounds. I don't consider that extra second to be 'unreasonable' and worthy of a murderer tag.

Unless you feel that all 6 of these people are just bloodthirsty killers, you have to accept the fact that what they all had in common - being human - is what created the reaction.

Their department failed them. The officers did what training and human nature compelled them to do. But leave it to the standard parties to start counting bullets, as though they'd be appeased had only 25 rounds been fired and he was hit 8 times.

Radar Chief 08-17-2012 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8826656)
Your argument makes little sense. At least 14 shots were fired after he was down. Why?

Because when they pulled the trigger for a 15th shot the gun went click?

petegz28 08-17-2012 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 8826661)
I would imagine that the adrenaline was pumping at slightly elevated levels, don't you? They're just human cops. Not Robocops.

Or, to channel Eddie Murphy, SuperCops.

No excuse. As I have stated and is the law, if that would have been you or me we would be charged withe excessive force plain and simple.

Once this guy was down there was no need for 14 shots to continue to be fired.

crazycoffey 08-17-2012 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 8826661)
I would imagine that the adrenaline was pumping at slightly elevated levels, don't you? They're just human cops. Not Robocops.

Or, to channel Eddie Murphy, SuperCops.

I am, I smell danger a mile away and lock up child molesters daily.


Actually we did get a child molestation case. One that could have gotten away without a bit of quick thinking on my part, if I may toot my own horn. I guess I can't really tell you why I think that, but I bet the most stringent of cop haters and crazycoffey haters would like the story.

Back to the topic at hand. I can stop bullets in mid air, with my mind and a wave of my hand. I'm awesome. To bad I'm not cop in Michigan or Colorado....

petegz28 08-17-2012 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8826674)
You're the one accusing these men and women of murder, I'd say the burden is yours to carry.

My theory - adrenaline, pure and simple. Shots were fired and in the span of about 3 seconds they put a bunch of lead in the air. You count 14 shots or so after he fell and that's fine, but we're talking 6 people, right? And a pistol with a fast finger is going to put out a couple rounds in a second.

So in essence, due to the shock of a 'fight or flight' mechanism kicking in a mere 3/4 seconds prior, 6 people pulled their triggers another second or so longer, leading to your 14 rounds. I don't consider that extra second to be 'unreasonable' and worthy of a murderer tag.

Unless you feel that all 6 of these people are just bloodthirsty killers, you have to accept the fact that what they all had in common - being human - is what created the reaction.

Their department failed them. The officers did what training and human nature compelled them to do. But leave it to the standard parties to start counting bullets, as though they'd be appeased had only 25 rounds been fired and he was hit 8 times.

Training did not compell them to continue shooting a person who was already down. In fact I would lay $'s to Peso's that their training was to do just the opposite.

Donger 08-17-2012 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8826691)
No excuse. As I have stated and is the law, if that would have been you or me we would be charged withe excessive force plain and simple.

Once this guy was down there was no need for 14 shots to continue to be fired.

:spock:

You and I aren't cops. I don't even have "a" gun, let alone many, which would necessitate an entire rack.

I'd rather they had not shot the guy. I'd rather he hadn't refused to drop his weapon, which lead to him being shot many times. But, I also acknowledge that the cops are just humans, and in those situations, humans react on adrenaline. That's nature's fault, not theirs.

DJ's left nut 08-17-2012 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8826698)
Training did not compell them to continue shooting a person who was already down. In fact I would lay $'s to Peso's that their training was to do just the opposite.

That's why I said training and human nature, sport.

This wasn't a single person - this was 6. Were they all bloodthirsty killers that roam in a pack, Pete?

Or did perhaps the fact that their training says to drop the suspect, combined with the rawest rush of adrenaline that any of them (or us) will ever experience in their life, led to them firing for one extra second beyond when the guy hit.

Nah, because to accept possibility requires one to admit that, but for the grace of God goes you. It's much easier to stand on a pedestal and swear that you'd have never done anything remotely similar and that it's a staggering coincidence that all 6 of these savage killers happened to be in the same place at the same time.

**** it - hang 'em all, right Pete?

Bump 08-17-2012 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 8826642)
:spock:

Yes. There's a big difference between civilians and police. May I suggest inhaling more deeply?

the point is, Donger, it wasn't a life threatening situation for the cops. If citizens were in that SAME EXACT situation, they would get charged if they shot them. You're not supposed to shoot people unless it's a LIFE THREATENING situation whether you are a cop or a regular dude.

You're pretty dense.


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