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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9224334)

Marty didn't lose the 2006 AFC Title game due to being conservative, he lost it because Marlon McCree was an idiot.

Sure. And Ernest Byner was an idiot. And Dave Kreig was an idiot. Etc. and so on.

Marty lost the 2004 playoff game against the Jets and Herm Edwards in overtime because he was too afraid to move the football.

Face it: Marty had 18 post season appearances and only won 5 games.

.277 playoff percentage.

But it was never his fault. All 18 times.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9224058)

IMO, the "blame" for lack of Super Bowl appearances during the Polian/Dungy/Manning era lies squarely on the shoulders of Polian and Dungy, not Manning.

Ironically, Peyton's lone SB win was due to the way the D played.

He tried to give that WC game to the Chiefs.

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9224334)

Marty didn't lose the 2006 AFC Title game due to being conservative, he lost it because Marlon McCree was an idiot.

In the final game of the divisional playoffs, the New England Patriots faced the San Diego Chargers team, who were unbeaten at home in the regular season. The Chargers' roster included league MVP running back LaDainian Tomlinson, who broke several league records, nine Pro Bowlers, and five All-Pro players. However, four Chargers turnovers, three of which were converted into Patriots scoring drives, helped lead to a Chargers loss. San Diego lost despite outgaining the Patriots in rushing yards, 148-51 and total yards, 352-327, while also intercepting three passes from Tom Brady.
In the first quarter, after San Diego coach Marty Schottenheimer opted to go for it on 4th-and-11 instead of attempting a 47-yard field goal, quarterback Philip Rivers lost a fumble while being sacked by Mike Vrabel, setting up Stephen Gostkowski's 51-yard field goal with 40 seconds left in the period. In the second quarter, Chargers receiver Eric Parker's 13-yard punt return set up a 48-yard scoring drive that ended with LaDainian Tomlinson's 2-yard touchdown run, giving his team a 7-3 lead. Then, on the Patriots' next drive, linebacker Donnie Edwards intercepted a pass from Brady and returned it to the 41-yard line. But the Chargers ended up punting after Rivers was sacked on third down by defensive back Artrell Hawkins. Later in the quarter, Tomlinson rushed twice for 13 yards and took a screen pass 58 yards to the Patriots' 6-yard line, setting up a 6-yard touchdown run by Michael Turner with 2:04 left in the half. New England responded with a 72-yard scoring drive, with receiver Jabar Gaffney catching four passes for 46 yards, including a 7-yard touchdown reception with six seconds left in the half, cutting their deficit to 14-10.
In the second half, Brady threw his second interception of the game. But once again, the Chargers were forced to punt after Rivers was sacked on third down. Mike Scifres' 36-yard punt pinned New England back at their own 2-yard line, and San Diego subsequently forced a punt, but Parker muffed the kick and New England's David Thomas recovered the fumble at the Chargers' 31-yard line. New England's drive seemed to stall after Brady fumbled on 3rd and 13. Patriots' tackle Matt Light recovered it and Chargers defensive back Drayton Florence drew a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for taunting Patriots tight end Daniel Graham. The drive continued and Gostkowski eventually kicked a 34-yard field goal to cut their deficit to 14-13. Then, on San Diego's next drive, linebacker Rosevelt Colvin intercepted a pass from Rivers at the New England 36-yard line. The Patriots then drove to the Chargers 41-yard line, but were halted there and had to punt. After the punt, Rivers completed two passes to tight end Antonio Gates for 31 yards and a 31-yard pass to Vincent Jackson, setting up Tomlinson's second rushing touchdown to give the Chargers an 8-point lead, 21-13.
New England responded by driving to San Diego's 41-yard line. On a fourth-down conversion attempt, Brady's pass was intercepted by Marlon McCree, but Troy Brown stripped the ball, and receiver Reche Caldwell recovered it. Schottenheimer unsuccessfully challenged the play and lost a timeout. Four plays later, Brady threw a 4-yard touchdown pass to Caldwell. On the next play, running back Kevin Faulk took a direct snap and scored the two-point conversion, tying the game. Then, after forcing a punt, Brady completed a 19-yard pass to Daniel Graham. Two plays later, Caldwell caught a 49-yard strike down the right sideline to set up Gostkowski's third field goal to give them a 24-21 lead with only 1:10 left in the fourth quarter. With no timeouts left, San Diego drove to the Patriots 36-yard line on their final possession, but Nate Kaeding's 54-yard field goal attempt fell short with three seconds remaining in the game.

The irony here is that this game was an indication that Marty might finally have figured it out, that you have to play aggresively, rather than play to not to lose.

And that was his last game.

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9224363)

Ironically, Peyton's lone SB win was due to the way the D played.

He tried to give that WC game to the Chiefs.

That was a strange Super Bowl game in Miami. Rain, and a below average performance by Peyton. Oh, and Rex Grossman.

Bizarre.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9224352)

I didn't say he was never conservative, I am a ****ing Chiefs fan I know what he was like in KC.

You used his 2006 14-2 loaded team as an example of his being conservative. Not a good example.

The Darkside Of Bill Polian

<time datetime="2012-12-19">Dec 19th, 2012 at 11:00 am</time> by Nathan Bramwell Chiefs

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[COLOR=inherit !important]Last week, I offered up my opinion on who I think the Chiefs should take with their first round pick, Matt Barkley. I got some positive responses, and I got some negative responses. I clearly expect that to happen again with this post, especially after the editor of Arrowhead Addict, Patrick Allen, wrote about the rumors that have been cycling around about the possibility of former Bills, Jaguars and Colts General Manager, Bill Polian, being a likely candidate to land in Kansas City if current Chiefs GM, Scott Pioli, is let go after the season.

[COLOR=inherit !important]This is what Allen wrote about the possibility: “Hiring Polian would be a brilliant move by Hunt. He’d be getting an experienced executive and personnel man but at the same time, he’d be getting the younger Chris Polian as well. Polian senior was 69 when the Colts fired him in January. He likely won’t be with the Chiefs for long but he certainly could stick around long enough to get the franchise back on track.”[/color]

[COLOR=inherit !important]The responses in the comments section were mostly positive to this idea, as I figured they would be. When first considering GM candidates this season when it became clear this whole Scott Pioli thing wasn’t working out, Bill Polian was one of the first guys that came to my mind. After all, he’s taken two different teams to five combined Super Bowls, winning one. He’s won multiple Executive of the Year Awards, and it’s hard to deny the sustained success he was able to achieve with each team he managed.[/color]

[COLOR=inherit !important]Then I started to remember some rumblings coming out of Indianapolis when Polian, and his son Chris, the GM, were fired. While many other fans of many other teams seemed shocked that Polian would be fired because of one bad season missing his star quarterback and after maintaining such a high level of success over the years in Indy, I remember Colts fans not being that shocked. In fact, many of them, if my memory served me correctly, were ecstaticthat Polian was gone. After spending a few minutes on Google, I found articles supporting my memory.[/color]
[COLOR=inherit !important]The first article I found was from the Colts’ SB Nation Blog, Stampede Blue, and titled: The Polian Reign of Terror Ends. As the article goes:[/color]
[COLOR=inherit !important]“I couldn’t get out of my head the unbelievable culture of fear that the insecure, violently paranoid Polians used to keep control of the organization. And I won’t lie. I’m glad Polian and his equally odious son were fired.[/color]

[COLOR=inherit !important]Not reassigned. Not ‘allowed to resign.’ Fired.[/color]
[COLOR=inherit !important]It was a fitting end to two people who simply lacked the ability to treat others decently and respectfully, especially if those others worked under them…[/color]

[COLOR=inherit !important]… I don’t wish plague or ruin on the Polian household, but I am glad that their silly little game of playing dictator is now out of Indianapolis.”[/color]
[COLOR=inherit !important]Those are some pretty strong sentiments. And the blogger is not alone. Here is another story, this one from the IndyStar, which documents some of Polian’s dictator habits including arrogance, openly ignoring employees, a God-complex, and overall douchebaggery. And yes, I know what you’re thinking: that sounds like Scott Pioli.[/color]

[COLOR=inherit !important]And this is exactly why the Chiefs and Clark Hunt should stay as far away from Polian as they possibly can. Just because we’ve become accustomed to one dictator is no reason why we should hire another one. Think of this as GMs think of coaching changes. When one coach is fired, the most common thing to do is hire another head coach with a near opposite personality/coaching style as the one just let go. Think Herm Edwards to Todd Haley and then Todd Haley to Romeo Crennel. Call it an over-correction, but this is just something teams and management tends to do.[/color]

[COLOR=inherit !important]I don’t know about you guys, but I’m tired of the whole dictator thing in Kansas City, and that sound like exactly what the Chiefs would be getting. True, what Patrick Allen wrote earlier highlighted Polian’s positives, and admittedly there are many. And I will also admit that winning hides the flaws that losing brings to the surface. But I don’t know if I can support another General Manager/whatever Bill would be that would cause anymore anxiety at Arrowhead.[/color]

[COLOR=inherit !important]Been there, done that.[/color]
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9224443)

I didn't say he was never conservative, I am a ****ing Chiefs fan I know what he was like in KC.

You used his 2006 14-2 loaded team as an example of his being conservative. Not a good example.

The 2006 San Diego Chargers were 16th in passing yards.

I wouldn't call that unconservative.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9223598)

Dungy won a Super Bowl because of Peyton Manning.

Cowher won a Super Bowl because of Ben Roethlisberger.

Marty won a Super Bowl...oh wait, nevermind.

DO WE WANT TO WIN REGULAR SEASON GAMES OR DO WE WANT TO WIN A GODDAMN ****ING SUPER BOWL?!?!?!?!?!

Don't must super bowl winning coaches win them because of someone?
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9225821)

Don't must super bowl winning coaches win them because of someone?
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I'd say that far more often than not, it's a team effort.

I've never seen a team completely collapse with the loss of a singular player like the 2011 Colts.

That 2011 Colts team had a lot of injuries Manning, Foster, Clark, Bullitt, etc.

That's the problem with Polians philosophy it really can't overcome injuries to key players.

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9223795)

You'd probably be better off ignoring history than misreading it and overreacting to it.

Its always worked for you.