Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9245705)

Orton was healthy and sitting while Palko stunk it up.





I don't see the connection here...

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9245725)

I own up to that. I exaggerated, but at least I'm willing to admit it. But the argument is moving the uprights. The reason people rejected drafting Okung wasn't because they loved Albert's future. It's because they didn't want to spend a high pick on a lineman, let alone one they weren't in love with.

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 9245548)

My theory on this has been articulated before. I liked Haley. I liked his attitude and I liked his commitment to winning. It's a damn shame that he was paired with a certified asswipe like Dr. Evil whom I firmly believe actively undermined his efforts to turn this team into a successful franchise.

I never fully understood why people made so much of his "antics" on the sideline. NFL HCs are always going off for one reason or another and are rarely called out for it. Yet, when Haley showed some emotion (which I prefer to Roleo's or Herm's narcoleptic zombie demeanor) people went nuts ... never got that.

He was also a guy who studied the game. It interesting that the "new NFL math" is gaining traction when it comes to fourth down attempts, fakes, etc. Haley was trashed for his creativity and understanding of the percentages. If given another opportunity, I think he will eventually be a very successful head coach in this league. Meanwhile, we'll probably still be trying to figure out how to rebuild one more time.

FAX

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 9245568)

One man's inconsistency is another man's surprise attack, Mr. DeezNutz.

Nevertheless, you may be right. Those decisions are situational, though. In order to agree with you, my brain would have to absorb the game circumstances associated with each call.

There's another variable, as well ... who was actually making the call? For example, was it Weis or Methuselah or Haley himself who make the call to run Thomas Jones around right end on 4th and 2 (or whatever it was)? So far as we know, it was Weis. Of course, Weis (a proven megalomaniac in his own right) would probably deny that.

Oh ... and as for "the team quit on him", Mr. PGM ... think about it ... when your GM is proactively busting your balls behind your back on a daily basis, it's a little difficult to lead. I challenge any HC in the entire league to retain his respected leadership status under those circumstances. It's impossible. Cannot be done. No way. No how.

FAX

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9245573)

Mr. FAX, it's the NFL win or GTFO

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9245691)

He put Orton in and immediately ran one of the longest-developing plays in the game of football, against one of the best pass-rushing defenses in all of football.

He's either a ****ing moron or he was TRYING to hurt Orton in order to have an excuse to go back to Palko.

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 9245627)

That's pretty much how I see it.

We all have strong points and short-comings. All of us. Even Planeteers. Haley had flaws and I have never argued that he was the epitome of human evolution. Still, he represents what the Chiefs needed and still need; a young coach who can put his imprimatur on and grow with the franchise, a coach who focuses on the fundamentals of conditioning and basic football (see turnover records), and a guy who approaches the game with a certain creativity (The Chiefs were once known for innovation and I'd like to see that particular slice of history repeat itself.)

The fact of the matter is that, for whatever reason, Pioli decided to hang Haley out to dry. He developed an absolute hatred for the guy. Why? I can only speculate that Haley thought he was going to be an actual NFL head coach, not a puppet and, when he learned that he was going to have to dance for Dr. Evil, he simply couldn't do it ... it wasn't in his nature.

Meanwhile, Pioli was and is a freaking cancer. His organizational decision-making and personnel decisions aren't just suspect, they're obviously pitiful. He is a man clearly out of his mind and Clark's worst decision to date. Yet people who could not function, let alone thrive, while working directly under Pioli will blame Haley for every possible sin they can conjure up. It's irrational, in my view.

I think the evidence speaks for itself. They say you are what your record says you are. And, when it comes to the Chiefs, nuff said.

FAX

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9245753)

I agree with both of you here. I would simply add Clark Hunt's worst decision was not Pioli's hiring, but instead Pioli's firing when the time came to make a choice for the franchise. Hunt fired the wrong guy and now he has to start the whole thing over -- this is Hunt's worst decision.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9245754)

Chip Kelly and Geno Smith would be a powerful pairing, IMO.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9245755)

Last year would have been too soon...December 31st is the right time. Ill give him until the 3rd to make that move.

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9245762)

To be honest, the right time to fire Pioli was after the playoff debacle in which Pioli's QB showed the world how stubborn Pioli is with the QB position.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9245730)

That's also untrue.

I was one of the most vocal and it was absolutely BOTH - we didn't want a tackle AND we loved Albert's future.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9245705)

Orton was healthy and sitting while Palko stunk it up.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9245767)

That's silly.

You think that the right time to fire Pioli was after he inherited a 2-14 team and made the playoffs in his second year here?

2011s final record was understandable given the rash of major injuries to major players...after 2012 will be the right time.

He has had 2 HC hires, has chosen not to do anything about the QB position and has had 4 drafts.

The right time is new years eve 2012.

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9245775)

People keep saying this, but it's not completely true.

Orton didn't make it to KC until 3 days before the Steelers game.

The only mistake Haley made was not starting him in Chicago. He dislocated his finger in Chicago.

He couldn't play vs the Jets. Finger.

He played the next game vs GB.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9245739)

Haley was setting up a flea flicker all game. We were running a 60-40 split favoring the run and he was desperate to put points on the board and make a calculated risk.