I'll take a guy with elite accuracy and timing and a good to great arm, than a guy with an elite cannon and questionable accuracy.

If, according to George Toma and Gil Brandt, Andy Reid can fix Matt Cassel...then he should be able to have Geno killing fans in the stands from 95+ yards on a rope.

i have no doubt geno would be in the top half of the league fixing his footwork.

Elite arm strength would be Kaep, vick, stafford, rodgers, cutler, luck, flacco
i think next level would be eli, big ben, freeman, tannehill, rg3.
Think geno could be in the next level maybe just under those guys.

I'm not going to lie i would love to have someone with elite arm strength and accuracy, but would rather have above average arm and accuracy like others have said. Elite is just cool for that wow factor.

Get into the upper half?

Which 16 are above him WITHOUT THE TWEAKS?

"Before and after the draft"

When Geno isn't using his legs correctly - these guys are all harder throwers than Geno:

Tannehill
Brady
Flacco
Weeden
Rothlisberger
Luck
Gabbert
Eli
RG3
Cutler
Stafford
Rodgers
Newton
Freeman
Kaepernick

I think you're mixing his potential with what he actually does.

He has the talent to put himself above 1/2 the guys on that list, but when he's arm throwing and not driving with his legs, he's just another Bradford.

Arm strength is probably the most undervalued quality in terms of modern analysis of the position.

It can be pretty overrated as well though.

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Those things (throwing without proper mechanics from top to bottom) can be said about nearly every single quarterback in the NFL. I think it's fair to say that without tweaks, he is top half of the league in arm strength. Now, should we break down his accuracy so we can find out where he comes in as an overall thrower?

I probably overrate him there, too.

IF he consistently gets his footwork where it needs to be, I'd put him about on par with Eli or Luck, maybe Roethlisberger.


Which is certainly adequate, hell more than adequate, it's perfect. It seems alot of those guys who have rockets struggle with touch and accuracy.

When he flips his hips and doesn't drive? No, he certainly isn't.

I think it went from wildly overrated to wildly underrated.

I don't recall who, maybe Duncan, that pointed out that Geno has good arm strength but not so great so that he can make all throws from all angles and I think that's a perfect way to put it.

Guys like Cutler and Stafford can just rip the ball with mechanics falling to shit and a maelstrom swirling around them. Meanwhile a guy like Cassel could throw a ball fairly hard if he had absolutely perfect mechanics and a clear pocket to step into and fire.

Geno isn't nearly as bad as Cassel but he does need his mechanics to get a piss rocket out there. But unlike a lot of guys in this league, when he has his legs under him, he can get you a hell of a fastball into tightly closing windows.

And us thinking it's the right or wrong decision doesn't make it so, either.

hey DJ have you studied much on the other QB's? mainly barkley? your thoughts on barkley? he's probably my front runner for QB but thats just me. I think his arm strength is under estimated as he throws alot of touch passes. Seen him rifle them in there when needed. He's at IMG aswell isn't he?

After this conversation, I anxiously await us taking him and seeing his improvement under a QB guru like Reid that knows what to look for and how to coach the flaws out.