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Just Passin' By 01-13-2015 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 11267984)
He's won a Super Bowl. That negates your argument.
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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 11268022)
He said Super Bowls. His use of the s on the end of Bowl negates your response.
Also, Manning was anything but a stats compiler in the postseason during the year he won the Super Bowl.

In 4 games, he never threw more TDs than INTs (finished with 3 TDs and 7 INTs), and he never reached an 82 QB rating. His team actually bailed him out with a win of a game where Manning's passer rating was 39.6.

lewdog 01-13-2015 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 11267960)
His playoff record is bad, at times, but his numbers speak for themselves. He's set how many records? Which makes him the VERY best in those categories. Also, he does have a Super Bowl victory, as well as another trip there. I can't believe anybody in their right mind would argue he's not one of the best of all time. That's insanity to argue against him. He's a sure fire, first ballot hall of famer. Pull your head out of your ass and see the forest through the trees. Try be objective and quit being so obtuse.
He's a playoff choker and probably the best regular season QB of all-time. The playoff choking puts him clearly outside of the 5 best QBs of all-time. I'm tired of people including him in that.

Hoopsdoc 01-13-2015 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MeatRock (Post 11267780)
:shake: I guess Bethea, Sanders, Brock, Brackett, Mathis and Freeney were all shit players on defense for Manning during his time with the colts because ya know Brady always had better defenses.

So ****ing stupid its beyond reproach.
People often forget during the Manning/Brady debate that Tom has had on his side probably the greatest coach of all time.

Psyko Tek 01-13-2015 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11267042)
The article isn't suggesting Tom Brady had better skill level offensive players around him.

It's suggesting that he had much better teams around him. Teams. Not just an offense. Teams.

For instance.

In Tom Brady's 9-0 start to his postseason career, the most important part of those teams were the defense. Tom was in charge of just trying to be efficient and not ****ing up. We all know that.

Skews the numbers.

Peyton has always had to be the best player on his team. Always. Tom? Not during the successful part of his postseason career. Those teams were always defensive minded teams with Tom being a very efficient game manager.
o you are saying defenses win champion ships?
and QBs just get endorsements?

Hootie 01-13-2015 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 11267710)
Over under 24 hours till he reaches full super hootie and is banned again. What u got?
why does everyone think talking about Brady and Manning is going to lead to a banning?

Are you guys all reeruned?

Brock 01-13-2015 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 11268077)
I read what he said. I just find it absurd. Take your Ticky tacky shit and eat a dick. This place has turned into a bunch of whiny bitches, that refuse to be objective. Enjoy arguing that Peyton isn't one of the best there is and expect to be taken seriously, yeah right imbecile. I've got better things to do then argue idiotic topics.
Well, bye

Hootie 01-13-2015 10:50 PM
I don't think Gonzo or Mr. Flopnuts are going to decide to ban me because I am obsessed with Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. It's not really that hard to stay out of my Manning and Brady threads if they are really that annoying.

It's not like the thread is titled, "ooh, free blowjobs from JASONSAUTO! Click here!" It's pretty clearly a Manning / Brady thread.

Baby Lee 01-13-2015 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Psyko Tek (Post 11268291)
o you are saying defenses win champion ships?
and QBs just get endorsements?
I'd say, as I have for years, savior elite QBs are unicorns. The closest was when Elway willed the Donkeys to 3 lopsided SB losses, and the second closest was when Manning willed OK teams to a rash of 1 and dones.

SBs are won by good QBs on great teams and great QBs on good teams, 1-53.

'The right 53' might be attached to a shitty control-freak GM, but it's a sound premise. You can't have 30-35 amazing players and win, let alone 1. You need a team that either masks the shortcomings of the QB or a QB that overcomes a few controllable inadequacies on the team.

What people miss in the hype of a QB driven league, is the rise of comprehensive analysis. With all the HD footage, and replay capability, and advanced analytics, football minds can exploit everything that happens on the field. It's now longer the simple story of a GREAT MAN drawing a play in the dirt. It's knowing that one chip technique has a 5% greater success rate than another on a particular play, or the success rate for every inch away a FG attempt is made.

Ming the Merciless 01-13-2015 11:32 PM
When tom Brady demolishes Andy luck next week will you shut the **** up?

KC native 01-13-2015 11:36 PM
Why the **** would anyone want Hootie banned?

He's too much fun.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-y8g87ZNhFX...3-44-00%5D.JPG

Hootie 01-13-2015 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 11268342)
When tom Brady demolishes Andy luck next week will you shut the **** up?
No. Didn't Peyton beat Tom in the AFCCG just last year?

Hootie 01-13-2015 11:37 PM
*enters Amnorix*

"Yeah, but Welker hurt Talib and Tom didn't have enough weapons!"

You know, because Talib is soooo good.

KC native 01-13-2015 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 11268342)
When tom Brady demolishes Andy luck next week will you shut the **** up?
LMAO Are you serious?

Don Corlemahomes 01-13-2015 11:50 PM
We should feel honored that Hootie took time out of his exciting, busy life to provide such profound insight into this minimally discussed topic.

Ming the Merciless 01-13-2015 11:53 PM
Sorry but any poll where eli manning is #1 and tom Brady is #43 and there's a bunch of lesser players in between is utter garbage.


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