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Coach 07-12-2015 01:41 PM
Nice clean inning.

Hootie 07-12-2015 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 11594230)
Morales isn't the MVP, it is Cain of course, but give no ****s about RBIs? That's kind of a ridiculous thing to say. Bringing in runs is kind of important.
I have faith in everyone in our lineup to bring in runs sans Omar and Rios

Morales has been worth his contract and some, no doubt. Not bashing the guy. He's just SUPER replaceable.

Saul Good 07-12-2015 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 11594232)
RBIs, the most over-rated stat used by someone who doesn't understand simple mathematics and number of opportunities of guys on base in front of a certain hitter in the lineup.
I feel like old school fans overrate it, but the new school underrated it. At some level, you either come through with men on base or you don't. Morales produces.

lewdog 07-12-2015 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bsroyals54 (Post 11594241)
Players have opportunities all the time to put runs on the board for our team bro. We have the highest average in the league, stupid. People are always on base. It means Kendrys has hit with people on base MORE. Meaning hes the guy I want hitting with people on base, always.
Incorrect.

He's also had the most opportunities with guys on base since he hits with the top of the order ahead of him. Cain would have very similar RBIs if in the same spot.

If you still don't follow how the number of RBI opportunities works, you are dumb.

Hootie 07-12-2015 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bsroyals54 (Post 11594241)
Players have opportunities all the time to put runs on the board for our team bro. We have the highest average in the league, stupid. People are always on base. It means Kendrys has hit with people on base MORE. Meaning hes the guy I want hitting with people on base, always.
Despite Cain converting over 90% of the time with a runner on third and less than 2 outs and possessing blazing speed to be able to beat out potential double plays ...

Again, I realize logic isn't your thing

duncan_idaho 07-12-2015 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11594222)
Rbis and wins for a pitcher.

Same?
Yes. Have some meaning, but not as much as old-school baseball thinkers believe. Team product.

Ws are so ridiculous, Zack Greinke has just 8 despite being far and away the toughest pitcher to score against in MLB this year and playing on a good team.

He has allowed 2 runs or fewer in 15/18 starts this year. And only won 5 of those starts.

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 11594232)
RBIs, the most over-rated stat used by someone who doesn't understand simple mathematics and number of opportunities of guys on base in front of a certain hitter in the lineup.
Yes. Morales DOES have a .974 OPS with men on, though. Which is excellent. Such a nice change from Billy... who was .750 last year and is .736 this year.

C3HIEF3S 07-12-2015 01:45 PM
LF is definitely not Colabello's gig. Well-struck ball for Cain though.

Hootie 07-12-2015 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11594248)
I feel like old school fans overrate it, but the new school underrated it. At some level, you either come through with men on base or you don't. Morales produces.
Of course he produces. Morales is a beast. He's been awesome.

Coach 07-12-2015 01:45 PM
lulz. Blue jay shitty defense strikes again.

bsroyals54 07-12-2015 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 11594252)
Incorrect.

He's also had the most opportunities with guys on base since he hits with the top of the order ahead of him. Cain would have very similar RBIs if in the same spot.

If you still don't follow how the number of RBI opportunities works, you are dumb.
Again putting a guy with a higher average where Morales is hitting doesn't necessarily mean he is going to hit well with RISP.

lewdog 07-12-2015 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11594248)
I feel like old school fans overrate it, but the new school underrated it. At some level, you either come through with men on base or you don't. Morales produces.
Sure, but guys like Cain could have the same production in that spot. It's not a useless stat but it doesn't even come close to telling the story. It's all about opportunities with guys on base and most MLB teams have multiple guys that could garner similar RBI numbers if they were hitting at certain spots in the order. Some see more RBI opportunities than others based on order.

petegz28 07-12-2015 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11594240)
At this point, we may as well enjoy watching them drive nails into Detroit's coffin. I don't know if Minnesota has the roster depth to cover up injuries down the stretch.
I've heard people say similar all season...don't know if they have the pitching, the hot bats, the defense, etc, etc....

they are on a tear right now....they are avoiding the 4-5 game losing streaks which is what is keeping them where they are

Hootie 07-12-2015 01:46 PM
Gotta be ruled a hit

cosmo20002 07-12-2015 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11594212)
That ground ball he fielded is a hit against half the Shortstops in baseball. He turned two like it was nothing. We are spoiled getting to watch him play. Those who just stat-watch will never understand how good he really is.
I'm always a little suspect of the defensive ratings. They are just hugely subjective. If he makes a great stop and then a ridiculous throw to 2nd to turn a DP, what is that "worth" compared to a less difficult throw? I guess you can measure the range somewhat, but how about someone's body being turned in a way that requires an impossible throw? How is that measured? I don't know the answer.

kysirsoze 07-12-2015 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11594233)
Again, just because our DH this year isn't the worst player in baseball like our DH last year doesn't mean that makes him MVP.
Yeah, MVP is the wrong way to express it. His upgrade over Billy, though, is one of the biggest reasons we are so improved from last year.


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