They just brought Lucas in a month or so ago

Look at what they did with Ragland last year

Lucas just got here. I'm sure that factors in.

Totally agreed. But whose roster spot is he taking that is an obvious upgrade versus what we’re putting on the field now? If the Chiefs were fully convinced the guy is broken, he’d be on IR already and we could fill the spot with some other likely mediocre/project safety.

The Chiefs are probably hoping he comes back. A lot. It explains the muddled communication, the soft Earl Thomas discussions, etc. That article didn’t expressly indicate that he wouldn’t come back but unfortunately did make it seem like he wouldn’t be 100pct if he did. But Berry at 80pct can still find a way to not blow assignments better than Murray.

Yep, you're missing the real point about Berry, TC

No one is questioning his desire, or hating anything about him... but this also a business, and right now the man is a sunk cost

Not a really good option in this case. Options would be corticosteroids or NSAIDs.

Corticosteroid injections increase the risk of tendon rupture, especially the Achilles tendon.

NSAIDs are associated with the impairment of healing of cartilage, bone, and tendons.

You obviously don't want a player out there stoned on opiates, either. You could try something like a topical lidocaine patch, but they become less effective over time.

You can love a player, his will, and his perseverance, and still believe that he puts his paycheck above the team.

Berry is a great player, when he plays. But for christs sake he got paid his full salary (highest in the league) against the cap for missing 3/8 of his games. They could have NFI'd him for cancer treatment, but they paid him 11m instead.

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I bet he plays against Jacksonville.

Seems to me that they plan on just managing it to the best of their abilities and Garafolo even mentioned that their early success has allowed for more patience with it.

Jacksonville and New England are big games though. They didn’t put him on IR, so surely they think he could play if he had to and they just didn’t want to take any chances in practice or a game these past couple of weeks.

Hopeful but I think it makes sense.

For god's sake WHY? I mean, I can somewhat see the value of Maclin but Charles???
No.


No ****ing way.


The club cHunt gambled on Berry/Houston to be core and soul of this defense, and the club cHunt lost.



Absolutely. Do NOT repeat the mistake. The Chiefs are currently riding the crest of a long-overdue wave where the mistakes of the past are being cut like cancer from the collective host.
No need to put the vehicle in reverse.



Ya' think??? And what the **** is he doing back-ending the person he hired for that job and responsibility? That's not a good precedent, and this was HARDLY a "Save Our Chiefs"-scenario. You know, a scenario that would actually REQUIRE the hand of ownership to intervene???
( If we believe the stories, Hunt didn't want to touch such a "distasteful" event, much less fire the prick who caused it )


Let him wear his "dope crown"; he's earned the mother****er.



The issue currently on the table is not Dorsey's ability or inability to draft; it's about a GM looking out for his team financially both in the present AND future, and being blamed for cap woes and contracts that in hindsight were not of his creation.

So, this is a little off topic, but it deals with player pain. I know the NFL has marijuana on its banned substance list. Do they also list Kratom as a banned substance?

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Berry has always treated the Chiefs like a business and hasn’t discounted any of his pay a dime in any way shape or form since the moment he was drafted in KC.

**** you, pay me.

KC has treated the man like family since day one.

Hopefully this heel situation won’t end his career and we can get 3 more years of top shelf play from the man.

Kratom is legal as far as I can tell

Yes..he certainly has.

I believe if the "Mahomes Invasion" had started a few years earlier, Berry wouldn't have sniffed that amount of money. At the point of his contract, he was riding the crest of Comeback Player of The Year and his cancer story. He was the national face of the franchise. CHunt saw him as PR investment for a small market team.

A $16 million dollar safety...GTFOH with that nonsense.

I think Berry or his agent used this hype as leverage against Dorsey...which ultimately led to a LR issue, bad media press and his firing. JD didn't draft Berry...so he looked at it pragmatically and saw a huge risk...not only by positional value but his cancer treatment. I really do think Dorsey got fired because of this situation coupled with him saying "**** you for going over my head" and using Maclin as a revenge chess piece. He knew that would piss off Reid...how could he not...and why nobody even knew he was going to do it. I think he wanted out if he didn't have control of his team. I think he wanted to roll with Hill and Reid wanted to keep Maclin. Shows who really wears the shorts in KC..

So yes..I inadvertently blame Berry's contract tactics for JD being gone. It doesn't take a genius to see how a rift between Hunt/Dorsey happened because of this. JD is all about football and building a team....Chunt is about corporate branding and growing his franchise's value. Dorsey didn't want to sign Berry and Chunt did for reasons outside of the football field...Reid wanted a LR without issues.

Sadly, I think Berry has played his last down. Time to hang em up, Eric. You had a nice run.

I lost a lot of respect for him when he held out after the Chiefs stuck by him when he was dealing with Hodgkin's Lymphoma. He repaid the loyalty by holding out. Dorsey was absolutely correct asking for assurances to be built in to the contract. Clark caved and now we're saddled with a broken player with an monster contract that we can't get out of.

Another poster said it best, "Berry has been treating this like a business and the Chiefs have been treating Berry like he's family" Berry won't retire until the Chiefs pay him a bunch of money. He will continue to hold the organization over a barrel until he squeezes them for as much money as he can. The moment we sign Berry's new contract without the insurance policy Dorsey wanted Berry to pay for, we were toast.

Houston isn't worth 20 million a year either. We can get a coverage linebacker for 5 million. Part of that is on Bob Sutton though, he should send Houston after the QB more. He should also be more inventive about how he uses Houston. Offenses shouldn't know where Houston is going to be until they get ready to snap the ball.

I'm just going by the rumors and media stories out at the time. I guess Reid and Dorsey argued about keep Maclin and the big contracts to Houston and Berry. Rumor has it that Reid left for a meeting or something. Dorsey cut Maclin while he was gone. He cut Charles too even though Reid really wanted to keep him.

All this contract stuff led to a dispute about who had the power. It could all be crap, it could all be true. Looking from the outside, it certainly fits what happened though.

We definitely heard leaks about Dorsey wanting Berry to pay for an insurance policy with his new contract. Berry got pissed, Dorsey basically refused to sign a contract without protection for the team. Clark Hunt flew up just to talk to Berry and work on the contract. A few days later Berry signed this big contract without any insurance or protection for the team. I don't think that Dorsey was even in the room.

Houston and Berry's contracts both took a long time to complete because I don't think that Dorsey thought they were a good idea. What it appears like from outside of the organization.

Dorsey comes from Green Bay, where they build from the draft and are careful who the pay big money. It makes sense that after Berry's cancer and Houston's persistent knee issues that Dorsey would be hesitant.