Wow. Too close for comfort, but giving that less than 48 hours ago this team was playing the game of the year, I will take it.

WOWOWOWOWOWOW

That was heart-wrenching for a minute and I don't even care about Mizzou.

Inexcusable.

good win MU

Omg!!

Now Mizzou needs to rest up, and get ready for Baylor. Another big game on Saturday for the Tigers.

That tip out went so perfectly to create the chance for the OT stunnnnaaaaa.

Love sports.

Good run Sooners. For serious.

Holy crap, that was close. We're taking the keys to Norman to the SEC.

Suck it OU!

Way to close to sent that into OT....Mizzou better get rested and ready for Baylor because that play won't work against them.

Rough game on 1 night rest. Good job pulling that one off team!

OU shot 58.3% from 3pt land....good time for a miss on that last one

Good thing we aren't playing KU Thursday night.

Kind of expected that tonight after Saturday nights game.


Pressey needs to get his shit together.

Yeah. Being on the road 2 days after your most intense game of the year against a team you murdered earlier in the year....was closer than it should have been but when the other team shoots almost 60% from 3pt range you're good to walk away with any kind of win

Are we supposed to complain about fouls now? I've must admit that I'm new to this.

Only the phantom ones.
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This. We're so lifeless on the road. The only confident road game we'vw had is Baylor.
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OU was 51% from the field, 58% from three. They played a hard fought game against a tired and emotionally drained Tiger team. Props to Haith for making the right call by having them foul and putting them on the line...OU was awful from the charity stripe (less than 40%), and it was the difference in the game.

He didn't play that well against KU either pete.

OU missed an assload of free throws.


It's tough to win on the road in the conference, especially after a draining win like MU just had.

It's games like these that make me think one of the top 3 teams will slip up somewhere and it will cost them the conference.

No way. Robinson is not scoring 12-15 in the NBA. He might be 9-12 if you're optimistic. I don't think he has the height. They list him at 6'10, but he's probably a good inch and a half shorter than that.

Saul, you just don't like anything KU do you?

Pressey did this last year as well. Last season he started slow, got hot, but then really started to crap out as conference season progressed.

This season he started out hot, but once again, as conference season has gone on he has really started to struggle.

Last year I thought it might just be a freshman that was simply hitting the freshman wall and being outplayed by stronger, more experienced kids.

Now I'm starting to wonder if playing as hard as he does at his size doesn't just tire him out as the season goes on.

Both of the Presseys have been liabilities for the last several games.

Possibly.

What is Pressey listed at?

I think this playing everyone twice is really wearing teams down. Especially those Saturday Monday turnaraounds.

I think Robinson's a hell of a college player who can carve out a niche for himself as a rebounder in the league, but I don't see him scoring much. I said the same thing about Marcus Morris (and said that Keif would be the better pro).

Ever? I don't know how you can say that. Even if he's only 6'9'', his length is more than sufficient to play with most 4s. And with his athleticism and explosion, he can play above the rim easier than a lot of 4s out there.

There will be some teams like the Lakers that play a second center at the 4, but most teams don't have anyone a hell of a lot taller than Robinson playing the 4.

If he can improve that 14 footer, clean up his spin move and develop something of a step-back, I don't see why he couldn't be a 12-15 PPG guy. That's really not hard to pull off if you get starters minutes and he should be sound enough defensively that he'll be able to start in the league.

Look at it this way - Carlos Boozer isn't any taller than Robinson, he's not as athletic and he's certainly not any stronger. Physically there isn't anything that keeps Robinson from being every bit Boozer's equal, he just has to develop a rounded offensive game.

Boozer is the comp I should've used earlier - Robinson could easily play a very similar game to Carlos Boozer and be just as good at it, if not better.

I'm sure the entire team has tired legs. I don't know how in the hell you schedule a college team to play a road game that starts 44 hours after their last game ended. At this point in the season, I hope Haith is giving them a ton of rest. That's going to be more important than practice and conditioning come tournament time.

I could see this team giving it everything they've got to win the league and/or tournament while having nothing left in the tank for the tourney. That scares me.

He's listed at 5'10'', but I've seen him around town and he seems like he's about 5'8'' to me.

Yeah, I'm all broke up over none of our teams ever having to set foot inside that dustblown trailer trash armpit of a ****ing state again. Bummer.

Not sure if I am unique but once these guys move on from college I don't really keep track of them at all. I don't see the draw of the NBA.

He seems pretty small.

I think Denmon has a really good chance to be a good pro, if he shoots the ball this well.

Boozer is quicker and has a MUCH more polished face-up game. I'll admit that I didn't see Boozer being anywhere near as good as he turned out to be, but he's the exception. Elton Brand would be another as long as we're talking about Duke players.

There are so many players in college that are able to physically dominate inferior athletes that do very little in the pros. The 4s and 5s that wind up averaging 14 and 12 in the NBA generally don't play 3 years in college. They certainly don't ride the bench behind the Morris twins for 2 years.

I would really like to see Robinson stay another year and play with the class we will have next year, but in his case he really needs to just go.

He has to support his sister and he really can't get much higher draft wise than he is now. I think he could get better which would ultimately make him a much better pro, but with everything he has been thru I understand it.

I think, like Saul said, Marcus should have stayed another year, but the twins couldn't be split up bullshit I guess.

I don't buy 5'10, either. He can damned near touch the top of the backboard, though. Dude's a freak. Too little for the NBA as well which is great with me. Nice to have a 4 year starter at the point.

Too short to play the 2, not a good enough distributor to play the 1.

He'll probably end up getting drafted in the early-20s to be a 6th man, combo-guard off the bench. He's a strong rebounder for his size, a responsible defender and obviously a capable shooter. A team that needs a spare guard that can come in and play the 1 or 2 to give the starters a breather could do a hell of a lot worse than Denmon.

I think he can have a nice career in the league. But ultimately, I'm still pissed off at the NBA for the ridiculous Chris Paul trade bullshit, so I'm fairly indifferent towards it. I would like to see MU put more guys into the league though.

Marcus wasn't going to grow 3 inches by staying another year.

I like Pressey alot, but I thought the D. Rose comparisons were a little off and thats not a knock to Pressey, but Rose is in a class with about 3 guys athletically in the league.

Humphries is averaging 13 a game this year, although that's for a terrible team. I would say 12-15 is TRob's ceiling in the NBA. He'd have to develop more to reach that level.

I haven't seen draft projections for Denmon. I would be pretty surprised if he goes in the first round, though. Would be nice to be able to put more players in the league as far as recruiting goes.

I would have liked to see him clean up a little and attempt to play the 3 but I don't think he had it in him.

He's an undersized 4 that was supposed to be able to step away. I don't see that happening.

I don't think Denmon is big enough to get drafted, I think he will find a home somewhere.

Boozer's a way more talented scorer than Robinson, he's got a touch that Robinson simply doesn't have right now. Boozer was far more efficient than TRob when he was in college, too. I'd be surprised if TRob reached that level offensively. That said, TRob is the better rebounder of the two and could be a better defender.

Rose is 6'0 and a much better (though not great) shooter. Pressey has no jump shot, but I do think he will find one. He's got a good looking stroke. It's just hard for guys his size to get them off. If he can find a shot during the offseason, he's going to be a huge weapon. 13 points per game from him, and he's getting close to all-American territory.

Those f"ing Grapes Of Wrath inspiring ****s shot under 45% from the FT line? They couldn't miss against KSU. **** you Lon Kruger.

Boozer had more polish precisely because he played a ton at Duke (and Boozer stayed 3 years). I don't agree that he's quicker, though. Robinson get's off the floor as well as any big man in the nation and his first step is pretty strong for a guy his size.

If he can become a good enough rebounder and play strong enough defense to get 30-35 minutes/gm, I don't see why he couldn't get 3-4 garbage buckets/gm, a couple FTs and a couple buckets off set plays.

Lon just has it out for KSU.

Dunno about that. If he's to small to get the shot off I dunno how he develops 3 or 4 inches like you Marcus couldn't.

I don't really think he needs to score much. If MU could get another big guy or two Pressey could be a 10 assist per game guy, by said big guy just hanging around the rim.

Sommmmmmmmmmmewhere? Overseas?

The problem might be Robinson getting 30-35 minutes a game. There are a ton of great PFs that are bigger than him and can do more offensively in the NBA.

I think English has a place in the league. He could play the 2 pretty well IMO.

Did they shoot 60% from behind the arc against K-State?

I'll go ahead and let them hit 70% of their FTs if they'll go back to hitting 35% of their 3-point shots.

Yep

Nowhere near good enough.

A++++ game. Raining fall away threes.

"When the name on the jersey says "KSU" you get everybody's best shot."/thread

I hate my team.

54%

If Robinson could consistently hit the 17 footer and put the ball on the floor more under control he would have a much better chance.

Of course it's hard to put it on the floor when the Steve Moore's of the world fall down in front of you but I concur.:evil:LMAO

Sucks with the ball in his hands.

Last season was the year he experimented with trying to become a 2-guard and it did not work out well at all. His handles aren't good enough and his first step is pretty sub-standard for a 2-guard.

Maybe he could play the 3 if he continued to progress as a defender. There's no reason he couldn't become something of a Trevor Ariza type that plays plus defense and hits some big 3s.

Sorry, 45%

He's not going to develop 3 or 4 inches. He's going to need to increase his range. Players can't body him because he's too quick. If he can just knock down the 3 ball when defenders cheat off of him, he'll be deadly. 6 extra points per game from him would be gravy.

He plays great position defense. He'd get broken in half taking charges in the NBA, though. I could see him getting a shot as a fringe guy. If you can hit the three from the corner, and he can, you've got a chance to catch on somewhere.

He who?

Right - he's a smart defender, but that's not quite enough at the next level.

He doesn't have nearly the feet to hang with 2s in the NBA, but he's smooth enough to stick with most 3s.

I don't think he can start; he'd be exposed against a lot of teams. But if he could be a consistent 40% shooter from behind the arc and play solid help defense, there's no reason he can't be a pivotal part of a good 2nd team.

English just doesn't have the kind of athleticism or the requisite skills to really make it in the NBA, IMO. Ariza's athleticism, for example, is pretty incredible.

English's pretty smart, but that can only take you so far.

How does Robinson compare to Wayne Simien?

Meh... he's got a shot to be a Rip Hamilton type 2 guard. It's a longshot.. but he's still got a shot.

Kim is a very smart basketball player and his movement without the ball is excellent. This year, he's also shown a lot of toughness defending much larger players in the post.

**I think some people are underselling him as a shooter because of last season. However, he's proven this year that his wrist was very ****ed last season. Look at his shooting percentage for his Fresh, Soph, and Senior years... his Junior year is a statistical outlier.

He is a pure shooter.

So....

Back to a league that people actually watch that has players who care and play with heart.

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Linus Kleiza just put up 30 points for the Raptors.

So, I feel we should be dwelling on Denmon's charge call in the last 3 minutes or so. Has anyone broken that down frame by frame yet?

More size, less skill.

Simien was a better scorer, but worse rebounder and defender. Simien didn't have that one thing that he excelled at that would allow him to play NBA ball. It's Robinson's rebounding and athleticism that will keep him in the league above anything else.

Simien is listed as 6-9 250.

How about a young Kurt Thomas?

How does he compare to Costner's version of Robin Hood?

He wasn't that tall. Like Robinson, you can take an inch off of that. Going off of looks, I would bet that Robinson has much longer arms as well.

Amazing that Kurt Thomas is still actually playing right now (and doing well). He got by on his defense (and still does). I don't see them as similar, it's hard to see Robinson carving that kind of niche for himself.

I was watching the 2nd half of that game, yeah. It was a total joke...no defense was played on either side.

Without Bargnani healthy, Kleiza is pretty much option #1. It's a sad situation for that team.

English has a bright future in the media. NBA... not so much.

Tough game today... glad they got out of there with a win. Classic trap game on the road against a team they'd already stomped once... sandwiched between that emotional win over KU, and Baylor at home.

Never imagined this team would be 22-2 at this point. Keep on keepin' on, Tigers.

I can't decide if I believe this or not, but it's a fair question to ask:

Is our perimeter defense overrated?

Think of the number of guys that have put up either career performances or games that were well better than their norms. Grooms, MacGruder and Spradling, Williams and Nash, Jackson's 20 pts and 15 assists on 10 shots, Scott Christopherson, even Taylor was having one of his better games of the year until he turned into a turnover machine late.

It seems like the lead guards for most of the conference teams we've played this year have played much better against us than their season averages.

When it happens a time or two, you wonder if you're just getting unlucky and getting some tough shots. But when it becomes fairly routine you have to ask yourselves if it's not something you're doing defensively.

English will play overseas. Make six digits while seeing the world? Could be worse. But he'll never sniff the NBA.

As for Robinson, see Aldrich, Cole.

KenPom ranks their offense 1st in the NCAA, their defense 57th.