Eagles fan here. I can break down the pros and cons of Reid if anyone wants. I'm sure all here who are national football fans as well as Chiefs fans know some about Reid, but there is stuff that doesn't make the national headlines that is more locally known about him.

I'd want that mother****er with me too, so I could keep an eye on him.

I'm sure as **** not leaving him in KC unattended.

Then again, this could have all been avoided by just firing the assclown on Monday.

Yep.

Two days after the interview and Clark is a liar because Pioli is still here and we don't have a new coach signed yet.

What do you know about the Cardinals, Pete?

I'm guessing nothing. As usual.

I don't think KK has watched any sports outside of K State football for several years.

I'm also sorta shocked they stopped talking about golf / mortgage rates to discuss the Chiefs coaching search.

Let er' rip, please.

610 starting to jump on the "why is Pioli even still here?" bandwagon.

Pioli still being with the Chiefs is a HUGE negative for anyone that is going to consider the job.

Is there some age limit of being a bad football person?

Go ahead, shoot.

Please.

It’s a surprisingly simple deal, based on a review of the information and communications with a source having direct knowledge of the negotiation process. Manning gets an $18 million fully guaranteed base salary for 2012. Though he doesn’t get a signing bonus, he’ll receive $6 million of the $18 million base salary as an advance.

Then, if Manning is on the Broncos’ roster on the final day of the 2012 league year, his base salaries of $20 million in 2013 and $20 million in 2014 become fully guaranteed.

In other words, the Broncos can cut Manning at any point after Super Bowl XLVII and before the last day before the start of the 2013 league year and limit the contract to a one-year, $18 million investment. And so, just as the Colts faced a $28 million decision in March 2012, the Broncos will face a $40 million decision in March of 2013.

That said, there’s a limited out for the 2014 base salary, for one specific reason. If, during the 2013 season, Manning suffers another injury to his neck, the Broncos will be off the hook for the $20 million in 2014. If Manning suffers an injury, regardless of severity, to any other area of his body, he still gets the $20 million in 2014.

Then, if Manning is on the roster on the final day of the 2014 league year (which will occur in February or March of 2015), his base salary of $19 million in 2015 will become fully guaranteed.

Finally, if Manning is on the roster for the final day of the 2015 league year (which will occur in February or March of 2016), his base salary of $19 million for 2016 will be fully guaranteed.

It’s that simple. The Broncos have the unilateral right to drop Manning before the end of the 2012, 2014, or 2015 league year and avoid the remaining $78 million, $38 million, or $19 million, respectively. And if Manning suffers another neck injury during the 2013 season, the deal can be capped at two years and $38 million

Anyone with a brain KNOWS why Pioli is still here.

But they have to keep making shit up to fill airtime.

Pioli probably would have offered Dirk a contract if Hunt didn't show up.

I know they don't have the #1 pick or players like JC, Tamba, Houston, Flowers and DJ. But hey you know... Kolb and all

I know Andy goes full reerun at times and doesn't run the ball.

It's all from whatever "inside" source Petro has, that told him Pioli was on the trip to Atlanta. They've built that into, Pioli is leading these interviews, and still has all his old power.

These guys are ****ing clueless as to what goes on in interviewing candidates. If you are trying to set up an organization where you want everyone working together you better have a lot of people in the room.

Here's Bowlen all by himself interviewing John Fox. Oh, wait...

http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-c..._interview.jpg

Why?

If I'm interested in the job, and Clark tells me, "nothing to worry about, I'm working out the legal ramifications of a buyout for Scott," it's not going to bother me in the least.

What these guys get - that most fans don't - is that this is a BUSINESS.

Just shut the **** up, Dumbass

That's an assumption on your part about what Clark would say. The fact remains -> Scott Pioli is the GM of the Kansas City Chiefs. Scott Pioli is actually participating in interviews for a new head coach.

Lick my nutsack

No, they have guys like Larry Fitzgerald, Darnell Dockett, Patrick Peterson, Calais Campbell, Daryl Washington and Adrian Wilson.

Try again.

Being present does NOT mean participating.

Talk about an assumption.

Clark created this mess by not making a firm decision on Pioli. The coaching search should have nothing to do with that decision. I'm sure it's because of legal or financial issues, but it's such an odd situation criticism should be expected. Though if a big time hire is made everyone will back pedal real quick.

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Like I said in the other thread, based on Clarks actions, his words aren't speaking very loud.

Ouch!

What's really bad is I've heard a comment from a Lions fan that the 0-16 Lions could beat our 2-14 Chiefs. FML

Go **** yourself, Pete.

Although I'm sure you'd find something to complain about.

So why take him?

Is he making said coach say wheter he can work with him or he hates him right in front of Scott?

Dockett sucks

I'm buying stock in Reynolds Wrap - a ton of you reeruns have gone full tinfoil hat.

"damn Asshole....it's too LOOSE!"

Not as much as you

What did he say that's not happening? The only thing he mentioned that would be happening right way is that he'll be interviewing coaches, and...

Pete, always erring on the side of ignorant homer.

LMAO

I agree. Pioli should not be involved in anyway if what he said was genuine. If we end up with Pioli and one of his minions I'm ****ing done until they fix it.

On one hand, that IS worrisome.

On the other, it isnt, not if you have the right QB, new orleans passes way more than runs because they can, though many of them are essentially long handoffs. And i would hope that with an undeniable stud like Charles back there, Reid would make sure he gets plenty of handoffs.

Why take Pioli with you?

Why take him?

Any number of reasons.

If I'm Clark, I'm not leaving him behind in KC unsupervised. **** that.

Not to mention, it seems pretty clear that Pioli was the guy that set up these interviews.

Let's face it, Koetter was never a legit option - so who gives a **** if Pioli lead the interview, or just sat there jerking himself off?

People are making a mountain out of a molehill on this one.

I think his days of performing at a high level are almost over. :(

Adrian Wilson is terrible

The Cardinals defense is absolutely loaded. Their receiving corp, outside of superstar Larry Fitzgerald, is very solid. They play indoors, which helps their kicking game. The Cards biggest weakness, outside of QB, is offensive line and running back, two areas which can be easily addressed in the draft and free agency.

If the Cards addressed those needs (Joeckel?) and added a QB like Alex Smith to pair with a younger QB or even Kolb, they could be in the playoffs next year.

The Chiefs, on the other hand, have so many question marks that even if they hit on a QB, the likelihood of playoffs is slim in 2013 and possibly 2014.

Maybe Pioli wanted to go?

I mean....he and Dimitrioff ARE besties and all......

If you are scared to leave him in KC unsupervised, why are you thinking of keeping him as part of your organization?

I don't know. Who were the other five or six people that went? Why'd they go?

To keep an eye on his slimy ass

Adrian Wilson is terrible. So is Dockett. Cardinals are Fitz, Darryl Washington and Petersen, when he wants to play.

Clark: To your left is Scott Pioli. If you accept this position....you'll have the ability to fire him in anyway you see fit.

So why not just outrite fire him?

Which is somehow better than a starter murdering his girlfriend then committing suicide at the team's practice facility in fromt of the HC, GM and DC.

Juss saine.

Im sure the Cardinals have just as many question marks as the Chiefs.

Difference in your opinion can simply be from the fact that you know the ends and outs of the Chiefs roster far better than the Cardinals.

He's not. It's already been talked about that Hunt is trying to recoup as much money as possible while still getting rid of him.

Andy Reid @BigGayAl
Packing mah bags for KC. I hear dey has some FINE azz BBQ up in here.

Pioli's putting out feelers for a job...

Lol at Dane saying Arizona has more to work with than us.

Haha

Why didn't Hunt outright retain him?

Dockett isn't near the LB Hali or DJ is.

I don't know, that division is tough as **** now. ****, the NFC is tough as hell now. Manning, Brees, Rodgers, RG3, Wilson, Kaepernick, Stafford, Ryan, and Cutler all fighting for 6 spots.

I watch the Cardinals and Seahawks quite a bit because they're the late game in Los Angeles each week.

I can tell you that if I were Andy Reid (who just happens to own a home in San Diego, which is a 45 minute or so flight from Phoenix), I'd chose Arizona over Kansas City because they're closer to competing for a playoff spot.

Just stating that if he's this awful and you are afraid of all this happening, why is there a thought that he's being kept?

Who said anything about keeping him as part of the organization?

Christ, Clark could have been doing him a favor by letting him meet with Dimitroff about a job.


I'm not sure what people can't grasp about this - Clark is trying to negotiate a buyout - that takes time. If he wasn't, he would have already fired him.

In the meantime, he's been neutered of his power and depantsed publicly.

What exactly has Clark done differently than he explained on Monday.

The search process started immediately. HE will be picking the next HC.

He can do that with or without Pioli in the room, and still not go against his word.

Neither team has a QB, so it's basically a push.

He's 290 lbs and plays DE. Of course he isn't.

Sorry, there's no way to spin Pioli's presence in any legitimate interview for a HC as a positive. It's not. It's a sign of weakness and incompetence on Hunt's part.

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You think the buyout is happening?

I can think of $20M reasons.

(pure speculation)

Put him in the basement like Milton from office space, hand him a can of Raid, and explain about the roach problem.

610 is talking with Kevin Lockett about coaches. Huh? Why?

It is tough but the AFC is no cakewalk with Manning, Brady, Luck, Houston 2 years in a row, Cinci 2 years in a row with Dalton, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, etc. and so on.

For Reid, it'll all come down to comfort level. The guy will have plenty of options when it's all said and done.

Pros:

-Very good preparation coach. Puts together good game plans and has his players ready to go. Biggest example of this is he never lost after the bye week up until this year. However, he is not a good adjustment coach at all(I'll get to this in the cons)

-Straight shooter. Does not throw his players under the bus. Sticks up for his players at all times and his players love him. The players quit on him this year, but that is because they compiled a team full of heartless bums. Up until this season, Andy Reid's best records are in the latter months of the seasons. Teams typically play hard for him until the end. They respect him. So worrying about players not taking him seriously will not be a problem.

-Got into it a bit above, but Andy Reid is a strong finisher. His teams get better as the seasons go on. If a team starts off slow in September, he always keeps them working hard to improve.

-He's good at finding what is wrong and fixing it. Even in the doldrums of a bad season. I can't tell you how many times he duct taped together what looked like a hopeless roster.

-Even keel coach. Never lets the team get too down on themselves or too high(although sometimes this works as a negative. I'll get into it in the cons).

-Good at developing QBs. Has won consistently for most of his career with backups when McNabb went down. Is good at adjusting the offense to fit backup QBs.

-His teams for the most part score points. This year the offense sucked, but it was ravaged by injuries, and this season was pretty much a lost cause from very early on. More of an anomaly than anything.

Cons:

-Not a good adjustment coach at all. When his game plan goes awry, he has trouble going to plan b. This frustrated a lot of Eagles fans. If you get Reid, hope the game plan he has going into Sunday works, because if not you'll be in trouble.

-Seems to get conservative in big games. Coaches tight in big games. It seemed to rub off on players. Teams seemed to come out flat in big games. Many people in Philadelphia suspected it was the even keel attitude and that it came back to bite the players. They weren't amped up enough in the bigger games.

-Often neglects certain positions because they aren't "high value" positions. Neglected WR until 2004 and neglected LB almost his entire tenure. He has certain positions he values like offensive line and defensive line. Others he refuses to draft highly or spend a lot of money on. Flat out refuses.

-Gives you absolutely nothing through the media. His players respect it, but fans hate it. He spits out the same cliches every game. "I gotta do a better job" and "I have to put the players in better positions to make plays" are said after every single loss. Every one. Fans here grew so tired of it. He'll never explain what went wrong after losses. Cookie cutter answers.

-Not the best talent evaluator

-I'm sure you all know this, but often abandons the run and never goes back. He tends to only run when he has a lead. Although he does run the ball more with backup QBs. Which frustrated to many Eagles fans. Why run with your backup, but not your starter?

-Poor clock management. Andy Reid teams suck in the 2 min drill, end of halves, end of games. Poor usage of timeouts as well. Also, not a good challenger.

-Red zone woes late in his Eagles coaching tenure. Had a lot of trouble finding a way to get into the end zone


Overall he is a good to a very good coach, but has too many flaws to be great. He knows what he wants to do and has a good idea of how to build a competitive team, but I'm not sure he is a Superbowl caliber coach. Heis very stubborn in certain areas and just refuses to change. In some respects, that helps him, but it hurts him in others. I have no doubts he would improve your franchise, but he may get you close, but not over the hump.

I'm Jeff Briggs and I"ll see you on the showroom floor.

If he's only working out a buyout, I'd ban the mother****er from Arrowhead. I don't want him with me, and I also don't want him around my business.

Am I confused? Clark has to give Scott 20 mil to leave? I thought that was Ferenz buy out if they wanted him.

Cards don't stand a chance in their division. SF and Seahawks are top 5 NFC teams and the Rams won 7 games with a tie with one of the hardest schedules in the league this year in Fisher's first season.

Hightower and Beanie > Jamal Charles

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This.


The argument that "well, these were lined up before" is a little off to me. If Clark is making it known that HE's hiring the next HC, why keep guys Pioli wanted in mind?