SO disastrous that he led his team into overtime in the NFC Championship with crap wide receivers.

SO disastrous that he had the highest QB rating in the league before injury last year.

Yeah, you're right: That's disastrous. I'd just hate to see the same thing happen in Kansas City.

And instead now, you are just a major douche bag who hopes that his team fails because they didn't get the qb he wanted.

Id rather be the homer than the douche bag.

Also first in the league in YARDS PER ATTEMPT......

eh, he was seeing similar formations/personnel -- not the same play calls tho. scroll the video I posted and the plays are at the end there.

Irrelevant/GoChiefs

I've already debunked this idea that his high yards per attempt indicated anything positive. It didn't. Because he didn't throw the ball down the field. Literally threw fewer passes over 15 yards than MATT CASSEL.

Debunked?

LMAO

How in the world can you deny that you've created a false narrative?

Have you lost your mind?

Yes, back before you knew shit about football.

Have you?

Alex Smith isn't good at any of the things that take teams to championships.

The ****er takes more sacks than...MATT CASSEL.

It's funny you cite short passes as Geno Smith was the king of them.

It's also funny that overlook that a QB can be successful doing that. Hell Tom Brady threw 18 of his TD's from 10 yards or less. 18.

Big Ben threw 20 TD's from 0-20 yards downfield.

anything positive? 19-5-1? That seems pretty damn positive to me.

27-7, baby!

Destruction. Enjoy it.

And yet somehow, he had the highest QB rating in the league last year.

How did that gosh darned Matt Cassel get a high QB rating in 2010?

False narrative.

Alex Smith is not Matt Cassel.

Andy Reid is not Todd Haley.

Need I go on?

Dane and Alex Smith Fan will be eating shit after the year is over. I can't wait until Succop sets the record for most points in a season, which was previously set by David Akers of the 49ers, and who was quarterbacking the team during that year?

Say no more, homer. Your position is crystal. And will be shattered in due time.

I wanna make a bet with Clay.

Alex Smith will score 25 TD's this year, barring injury.

You down?

While that is true, it also shows that his short and midrange accuracy as well as his command of the offense were OFF THE CHARTS good to get that ypa while not consistently chucking it deep to achieve that stat.

No. Turds can hit 25 TDs. Especially athletic turds who can run scores in. It's a possibility.

John Dorsey is not Carl Peterson or Scott Pioli.
Andy Reid is not Romeo Crennel, Todd Haley, Herm Edwards, Gunther Cunningham, Dick Vermiel or Marty Shottenheimer.
Geno Smith is not Andrew Luck.
Alex Smith is not Matt Cassel.

To some, none of this registers.

That is true.

No running TD's. All have to be passes.

1st down: Alignment: diamond Twins RT. Playcall: Zr 22 ace with built in Z screen. (I'm trying yo use basic terminology so bear with me). James runs a dive play with crabtree having a built in screen.

2nd down: Alignment: gun pats right(bunch). Personnel : Detroit (1back, 2te, 2wr). Playcall: x slant, y corner z diagonal.

3rd down: alignment: 9 slot tight, FAT(motion by crabs out of backfield) Playcall: x fade, and then a spacing concept in which the y(Davis) runs a corner and the z runs a desigjed pick to free crabs running the diagonal.

4th down: Alignment: pistol 1 out slot Playcall: sticks concepts with z fade.


Simpathy, you powerful ****ers, this is on a phone and not including coverages. As to the belief they ran the same play repeatedly, both the 2nd and 3rd down calls feature similar concepts.

Oh well in that case, I accept. Alex Smith doesn't have a prayer of throwing 25 TDs.

This will be an avatar + username bet. The winner has rights to the loser's set for one calendar year.

My position is clear? What is my position?

I've been debunking your nonsense. Anyone with a brain that knows anything about football (which is rare on Chiefsplanet these days) can see right through the false narrative you've created.

For the record, I've never endorsed the Alex Smith trade although I think he was the best available QB this off season. I've never stated that Alex Smith will be a Top 15 QB nor have I stated that he will win a playoff game.

The only definitely statement I've made is that he is NOT Matt Cassel. That and the fact that you have created a narrative based on PFF stats only, pimped it, massaged it and convinced the dummies like SDH that it's true.

It's not.

You must be related to SDH because you're just as clueless.

You took a position that Alex Smith is better than the QB he actually is. You scoff at the evidence I present, because you are a homer and want to believe in this QB. No other reason to treat these facts with such disdain.

Alrighty, but on one condition. Alex Smith gets hurt and all bets are off.

Agreed.

Oh, give me a break.

The mere fact that he's had a winning record the past two seasons and led the NFL in QB rating contradicts all of your "facts", which of course, you've hand-picked.

He's not Matt Cassel, yet you continually refer to him as if he IS Matt Cassel.

You make claims such as his presence won't improve the defense over last year, that he can't throw the ball downfield, etc. and so on, yet it's all untrue.

False narrative.

Winning seasons:

Matt Cassel - 2
Alex Smith - 1.5

Would you like to know more?

He can't. He's been consistently terrible at it over the course of his career.

Unbelievable.

I know, I can't believe Matt Cassel has had more winning seasons!

No, that you would include his stats from previous seasons.

You know, because THAT'S the guy Dorsey and Reid traded for in February.

:rolleyes:

Yep!


Did anyone ever really read this long article?

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/5...verages-part-3
Alex Smith - The Long Ball (Trends and Averages: Part 3)

Don't worry. Clay will be gone when they win their 9th game. :)

LMAO

Clay is awesome at ****ing his own argument he has tried this shit before.

Only that jacking off idiot could claim having the highest yards per pass attempt is a bad thing. LMAO

****ing clueless idiot. LMAO

I posted this a few months ago, but it BEGS to get repeated...

If you take Alex Smiths average per attempt and touchdowns per attempt for 2012 and multiply them by the amount of attempts Eagles quarterbacks had last year...here's what you get:

4989 yards
37 tds

I never claimed it was a bad thing.

All I claimed was - and this is accurate - is that it doesn't mean what people think it means.

He doesn't throw the ball down the field. His YPA is deceptive.

I only included his stats from 2011 and 2012.

In those seasons -

shitty on third down

doesn't throw down the field

sacked more than anyone else in the NFL

All that for 2 2nds!

3rd down conversions fall on the TEAM and playcalling, yeah?

Is it the QB's fault if it is 3rd and 15 and the playcall is a designed clear-out that is meant to get YAC that just doesn't happen? Harbaugh and Roman called lots of those plays... because they figured at best, convert... at worst, better field position to punt. Is that type of failed conversion the QB's fault?

How about a dropped pass in and out the hands of a receiver on 3rd down?
How about a receiver that runs his route a yard shy?
How about a RB that runs into a brick wall and can't get his 2 yards needed?
How about a receiver that runs the wrong route or can't beat a jam?
How about OL pass pro failures?

All of these things factor in..

It's really a shame that your mind is so incredibly poisoned against Smith. It will leave with only two avenues. (1) Smith plays well and you will hate him for it. (2) Smith plays poorly and your team sucks.

Either way, you lose. Your level of hate for this guy is epic. As a supposed Chiefs fan, you should really be ashamed of yourself. You sound like a butthurt loser throwing a fit because KC didn't follow your gameplan... and DaneMcC and others have helped to make you look utterly pathetic.

:facepalm:

I know, right?

What's not to like?

At his PEAK...this guy was a check down artist that got sacked a shit ton.

You could also say he was sacked a lot because his OL as a whole sucked ass for most of his career and Harbaugh purposely told him to take sacks.

:facepalm:

No.

Interesting. In 2011, PFF ranked the 49ers OL as the 26th best pass blocking OL and said G's Chilo Rachal and Adam Snyder were dumpster fires.

I guess Harbaugh didn't want them back in 2012 because of Alex Smith making them look bad.

FYI, they were still dumpster fires in Arizona last year.

RunC does speak truth here, though Alex has to take some blame on occasion. Our OL pass pro leaves much to desire, and often gets overrated because of their run blocking. Kaepernick's obviously superior in evading sacks... making our pass pro look better than it is.. but Alex did a lot of this as well. The pass pro was a contributing factor into why we didn't throw more deep passes. It was as if during every huddle, the OL would discuss and decide which one was gonna screw up the next block attempt. Things did get better once Boone was inserted at RG, but he wasn't without growing pains.

And last year it was 7th.

And Alex Smith was on pace for 50 sacks.

He LOVES to take sacks. When he gets up in the morning, the first thing he does is take a sack.

It sounds an awful lot like Alex Smith will be making more throws, but most of the throws will be short or intermediate.

Sure his coach telling him to take sacks has nothing to do with this.

What was their ranking before Kaepernick took over and they started running the spread option? I'd be willing to bet it wasn't 7th.

Yep!

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/09...t-take-a-sack/

Damn you, QB, for listening to your coaches!!!! :p

You idiots. We already went over this MONTHS AGO. Alex Smith was the most sacked QB in the NFL on a per-snap basis last season.

HE LOVES GETTING SACKED. IT'S A HOBBY OF HIS.

Well yeah of course he gets sacked. Anytime he was pressured, his coach demanded he take a sack.

Sounds like his OL put him in positions to take a sack quite a bit.

Like you and false narratives.

False as in "real facts."

Most sacked QB in the NFL.

Glad he's ours.

No. His pass protection was good. He takes too long to read defenses and holds the ball.

You already have a sig bet that you are going to lose.....

Indeed. And a ban bet.

I bring the pain.

Yeah, because you're so impartial.

The guy hasn't played a single down yet your 230th screen name is Alex Smith HATER.

no his progression reads are ****ing slow because hes always gun shy to fit it in a tight window to WR1. So its either to the TE or check down and he cant get there quick enough

Who were his receivers in 2011 and 2012?

Most sacks on a per snap basis is pretty cut and dry.

No bias whatsoever.

Watch him play, too. Downright Casselian in his ability to respond to pressure. Pants shat all over the place.

and who is his WRs going to be on the Chiefs? Bowe and then nobody.

at least he had a top TE on the 49ers. Who is he throwing to on this team at TE? Anthony Fasano? Brokedick Moeaki? I laugh just thinking about these "weapons" on the Chiefs.

Right.

That's why he was an overtime loss away from the Super Bowl and had the best QBR in the league last year. Because he's Matt Cassel.

How can you type this nonsens with a straight face?

You failed to answer my question.

Aaron Rodgers
Season:2012 PASSING
CMP ATT YDS CMP %AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT
371 552 4,295 67.2 7.78 73 39 8 51 108.0

Yeah taking sacks is the end of the world.

Doesn't fit my false narrative/GoChiefs

welp :)

What's wrong with not liking a move "before he has even played a down in KC" all of a sudden?

Trading For Cassel was a bad move as was drafting Tyson Jackson.

Some of US (including YOU) thought we knew that before either had played a down for us.

And we were right.

Or his coaches recognized the flaw in Alexs game and worked around it...choosing the lesser of two evils.

What does that say about a quarterback when his coaches would rather see him take a sack rather than throw the ball past 20 yards?

There's nothing wrong at all with disliking the trade.

But GoChiefs has created a false narrative about Alex Smith and pushed his agenda for months on end.

He makes general statements are disproven as relative constantly, such as taking sacks just one reason why he's "bad", yet when it's pointed out that Rodgers took more, he's silent.

When discussing his QBR, he's silent. When discussing his completion percentage, he's silent. When discussing the overtime NFC Championship, the only reason they were there according to him, was defense. On and on and on.

It's intellectually dishonest and a false narrative.

Let me know when Alex Smith throws for 4300 yards and 39 touchdowns.

So far, the only comparable aspect is their amount of sacks taken.

Why use 20 yards as a determining factor?

I'm sure that you also realize that the 49ers have an average at best receiving corp that was even worse in 2011 (no Randy Moss, not that he was special). I actually believe they've been well below average but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

That said, he didn't have anyone to stretch the field. He was also very accurate on short and intermediate throws, which is paramount to success in a WCO.

I agree, to an extent.

I guess I just see a whole new chapter of Chiefs football starting that smells eerily similar to other chapters I've had to endure.

Matt Cassel and Alex Smith were drafted the same year and Matt Cassel has more touchdown passes to his credit.

How is that even possible?

Alex Smith beat Rodgers head to head last year. He also had a higher QBR, so I think your statement is incorrect.

I have not. I have only stated the facts.

He's a quarterback with issues in every facet of his game. Those issues place him far below the best QBs in this league.

FYI, I don't care about how many sacks Aaron Rodgers takes. He's elite. Alex Smith isn't even ****ing close...and him taking a lot of sacks is ****ing awful because he can't make up for it in the least. This isn't hard to understand, but you and others have chosen to be homers.

It's possible because Smith didn't play for a real NFL head coach until 2011, which also happened to be the first season he had any semblance of an offensive line.

And his receiving corp has always been poor.