Nobody is saying Bray was good or that he should be drafted high. People are saying there's a possibility that a team falls in love with his measurables and drafts him earlier than expected despite his performance. Most folks here would probably agree he badly needed another year in school.

That's one opinion. For sure. Absolutely. America.

I just disagree and think he will go from a possible 4th rounder to a 5th/6th rounder after the combine. Would be absolutely ecstatic if the Chiefs drafted him though.

Speaking of old times...

I'm going to pour one out for Logical. I started posted on this board when I was 19. That version of me thought Logical was just about the coolest guy around, especially when he started talking about all the essays he wrote about new torture methods. I remember trying to model my posting style after him, too.

I don't see him making it to the 4th even if he shits the bed during the combine...

I was still in my 30s when I started posting at the old Star board.

Jim was just a couple of years older than me.

Only one way to find out.

You wildly underestimate the league's ability to make stupid decisions. We're talking about people that thought Mark Sanchez was worth not just the 5th pick, but trading other picks to get to it. People who thought it made sense to draft Tim ****ing Tebow in the first round.

If we're talking what *I* think, I wouldn't touch Bray in a million years. But it's not about what I think. It's about the league annually falling in love with size and arm strength between February and April, and all but disregarding game film.

I'm not really a fan of his, but I've no doubt that teams CAN fall in love with Bray.

It's all about how committed he has been since his season ended.

If he started working out HARD after the end of the fall semester, I don't think 10 pounds are out of the question (he was listed at 215 to start the season, so who knows whether he was up or down at the end. Most guys go up...). That's a little higher than the 2 pounds/month an average person can handle.

He's not trash the kid had WRs with shitty hands and coach who got by because of his name and not his ability to teach.

Except Tebow was actually GOOD in college. When you are good in college, you get overrated and reached for.

Keep that one in your pocket for when you guys draft him then. I can grab some of the one liners we used for Gabbert in case you need new ones.

Mike Glennon is getting first-round buzz.

Bray had a superior season in a much better conference and has a more elite arm.

It's not a stretch at ALL to say if Bray displays enough FOCUS and DEDICATION at the Combine to overcome concerns about those things, and his arm talent shows like it can, teams are going to buy it and move him up the board.

It happens time after time with QBs and the NFL. Guys that "fit the mold" get a lot of leeway.

If you're defending the Tebow pick in any way, shape or form, then you're not even worth talking to.

Might as well hop on board the Collin Klein draft train.

Glennon is also considered to have a high football IQ and really good at reads. Bray is known as a meathead.

How is me saying teams reached for him, defending him? Do you know what "reaching" means in the draft?

We don't need Priest Holmes, we have Tony Richardson.

Egg-****ing-zackly.