Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 12279504)

Unless she hyphenated, then it would be Kate Upton-Upton.

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 12279313)

Me too. I hope he figures it out and gets with another team either this year or next. His HR in the ALDS is one of my favorite moments of last years playoff run.

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 12279523)

Sounds like one of Donger's relatives.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12279572)

I'd be all over submitting a claim for Arcia. It's weird to me the Twins weren't as patient with him as they have been with their other prospects.

Could end up being a David Ortiz-type disaster for them, long-term.

I think there's a decent chance he's a better pro than Sano, long-term.


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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12279572)

I'd be all over submitting a claim for Arcia. It's weird to me the Twins weren't as patient with him as they have been with their other prospects.

Could end up being a David Ortiz-type disaster for them, long-term.

I think there's a decent chance he's a better pro than Sano, long-term.


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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 12279880)

Does anyone think trying to put together a package for Jay Bruce and Zack Cozart might be worthwhile?

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 12265558)

Move Yo to the pen. Kid's been trending that direction for a while anyway. If he can get his ****ing $0.02 brain to starting clicking again, give him another shot at starting. What a waste.

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 12280069)

Why would you move a guy like Ventura to the pen? I guess it's better than some of the trade suggestions made by Royals Fan, but it doesn't make much more sense, especially in the long run.

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 12280075)

So you don't move him and you don't trade him, even though he likely doesn't have it as a starting pitcher?

So your plan is to just continue to start him? Sounds like a great plan.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12265622)

It's really hard to predict what type of value he would have, but it likely would fall into one of two categories:

1) swap for another troubled guy. Someone like Yasiel Puig with similar years of control and some upside, but some sort of issue that has worn out his welcome in that locale.

2) swap for lesser talents, but more quantity.

I don't see a way they move him for anything that isn't at the MLB level or ready to contribute at the major league level.

It's not going to be for a AA pitcher unless they're just desperate to dump him. Maybe they are.


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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 12280080)

Duncan, who knows his ****, posted the following:

Personally, I don't think either of those sounds better than continuing to work with Ace as a starter. His ability is off the charts.

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 12280254)

Ability? Ability as a starting pitcher is determined about how you can change your style, locate pitches and confuse hitters, not just on what shows up on the radar gun.

He lacks a consistent secondary pitch, has fluctuated his velocity to become less effective, and has a $.10 brain.

At some point after a lot of work, it still might not happen. And no, you can't looks at the past 2 starts in this argument.