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mcaj22 01-13-2013 05:09 PM

so every play the Dolphins run to mask Jake Long's deficiency is they do some sort of chip block or disengage stunt? Against every NFL team. All 16 weeks. So Jake Long shouldnt be credited for those "blocks"

That's what you are saying. lol

85 to 90 percent of the time the LT is put on an island to block whatever LBer, DE, whatever rusher is coming off that edge.

In run blocking it is even EASIER to tell his assignment pending the running play, because the LT will identify and go after the guy lol

AustinChief 01-13-2013 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9315166)
I think you are trying to make sound far more difficult than it is just to make your boy look better.

No, my intent is to show that people like GoCgiefs who trout out PFFs numbers on this have no clue. This has nothing to do with Long, I honestly have no clue what his numbers on PFF are.

mcaj22 01-13-2013 05:12 PM

his numbers awful, if you couldnt tell

Hoover 01-13-2013 05:13 PM

fan perception about OTs is not the same as a position like QB, RB, or WR.

Albert has gotten little attention because the QB position has sucked the entire time he's been in the league. If he was protecting Manning's blindside he'd be one of the top LTs in the game.

AustinChief 01-13-2013 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 9315174)
^ This. There are two positions that NEVER hit the open market unless there are issues with them. Franchise QBs and Franchise LTs. If Long is elite then he is a franchise LT and if the Dolphins are willing to let him walk then that says a ton about him.

Actually if they let him walk it's because they have a RT who filled in at LT and did a fantastic job (Martin) and Long is due big money. A team with as many holes as The Dolphins have can't afford to carry two quality LTs. Period.

BigMeatballDave 01-13-2013 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 9315200)
fan perception about OTs is not the same as a position like QB, RB, or WR.

Albert has gotten little attention because the QB position has sucked the entire time he's been in the league. If he was protecting Manning's blindside he'd be one of the top LTs in the game.

QFT

mcaj22 01-13-2013 05:15 PM

so you're saying a team with HOLES like the Dolphins shouldnt keep Long

but a 2-14 with more holes than a french whore, in the Chiefs, should trade a 3rd rounder for him.

LOL

AustinChief 01-13-2013 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9315190)
so every play the Dolphins run to mask Jake Long's deficiency is they do some sort of chip block or disengage stunt? Against every NFL team. All 16 weeks. So Jake Long shouldnt be credited for those "blocks"

That's what you are saying. lol

85 to 90 percent of the time the LT is put on an island to block whatever LBer, DE, whatever rusher is coming off that edge.

In run blocking it is even EASIER to tell his assignment pending the running play, because the LT will identify and go after the guy lol

No that isn't what I am saying. So far you have been a consistent idiot in this thread...and this post didn't disappoint. My attack of the idea that you can tell 100% of the time who was supposed to block who and the exact breakdown of a play has NOTHING to do with Jake Long. At no point did I even infer that. Put away your jump to conclusions mat.

Hammock Parties 01-13-2013 05:17 PM

Was PFF wrong when they graded Long as the top LT in the game 3 years ago? LMAO

AustinChief 01-13-2013 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9315210)
so you're saying a team with HOLES like the Dolphins shouldnt keep Long

but a 2-14 with more holes than a french whore, in the Chiefs, should trade a 3rd rounder for him.

LOL

Dolphins have more holes than the Chiefs. We are far from airtight but our record comes from ONE glaring hole on offense and just horrendous coaching. If we don;t go ZBS and Albert is either hurt or asking for a ton of cash.. then yes a 3rd to guarantee signing Long is worth it in my book. That's a ton of "ifs" before we get to that point.

mcaj22 01-13-2013 05:19 PM

Dolphins have more holes than the Chiefs

that's it lol, I've read it all

milkman 01-13-2013 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 9315200)
fan perception about OTs is not the same as a position like QB, RB, or WR.

Albert has gotten little attention because the QB position has sucked the entire time he's been in the league. If he was protecting Manning's blindside he'd be one of the top LTs in the game.

If he was protecting the blind side of even a league average QB, he would get more recognition.

Cannibal 01-13-2013 05:21 PM

Bottom line, we already have a solid LT that we should re-sign. There is 0 reason to waste any draft picks on a position in which we already have solid starter.

AustinChief 01-13-2013 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9315216)
Was PFF wrong when they graded Long as the top LT in the game 3 years ago? LMAO

Man you are all sorts of stupid. It isn;t about right/wrong. I can guess right too! It is when you try to trot out the NUMBERS that show how ignorant you are.

They may have been right, they may have been dead wrong. I'm surer Milkman will tell you that those numbers from 3 years ago are wrong because he received help or whatever... I disagree... but the fact is, PFF doesn't prove shit either way. You'll never see me trot out one of their subjective stats to try to back up shit. They do however have some OBJECTIVE stats that are worth using. (the same stats NFL teams actually pay them for) Oline rating just isn't one of them.

GloryDayz 01-13-2013 05:23 PM

Nice.. I do approve! Winston better shut-up his fat-lip mouth and step-up his game or he'll be riding a disgusting bus back to some town in Texas!


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