Well I'm a huge fan of Randy Moss which right away will not endear me to some...

Depends what we're talking about.

As a person, all indications are that he's a waste of ****ing oxygen. As a football player, he's spectacular.

As fans, too often we get too hung up on the former. Personally, I don't give a **** if my team is comprised of a bunch of "good guys." Give me spectacular to nice every day of the week.

i could give a **** less about the "person" but as a football player he is amazing when he WANTS to be, other times hes lazy, thats what makes ME hate him. if he played all out every play like jerry rice i would be a fan

Well what about TO? He plays hard and people hate him just the same.

Oh, I agree that he takes plays off. Wish he wouldn't, but when you're arguably the most naturally gifted WR to play the game, you can do these kinds of things.

Ideal? Nope.

But I'd take Moss on my team every single day of the ****ing week.

But this still falls under the "person" category for me. He's not a hard worker. For many folks, not being a hard worker = not being a good person (in certain contexts).

he divides the team, he says stuff outloud to reporters that should be private. he does this to make it look like the losses arent in any way is fault and the wins are because of him. hence telling people that mcnabb was throwing up that last SB drive. shit like that HURTS THE TEAM. thats why i dont like him. if it was his non player friends that he did that way i (and most fans) wouldnt give two shits. but its teammates which kills your teams

thats whats ****ed up about it. he IS VERY TALENTED why not try to be all you can?

Don't know. He just doesn't have a great work ethic. Lots of people fit this description, but it just so happens that this aspect of Moss's character is exposed on national television every week.

People resent this b/c of the money he makes, but I know a lot of lazy mother****ers who don't make a fraction of the paycheck. Bet you do, too. Should we also hate them?

it's the waste of talent that makes me hate, and yeah i dont really like lazy mother****ers that leech off the system:D and really its not about the money that shit aint mine.

Oh, it's definitely a shame. But the ****ed up thing is that Moss is a lock HOFer.

Again, I'll take this kind of talent on my team any day.

I bet a certain starting QB would, too.

Not to hi-jack, but if Bowe is an effective player but not a "practice guy", do you think Haley will give him some leeway?

As a first-year coach, he's in a tough spot. Bowe is definitely one of the bright spots, talent-wise, on the offensive side. Yet he's not even in the same area code as the top WRs in the league (Moss, Fitz, etc.). He might get there, but it's currently not close.

That said, I think Haley lays down the law. If Bowe won't conform, they'll ship his ass out. He hasn't earned the right to be treated differently, yet.

I believe you are correct.

That made me laugh.

If you're talking about me then tell me that you believe the Jets will be better than 8-8 THIS SEASON with Sanchez starting. Otherwise instead of trying to address me, STFU instead.