I really wish you could get it through your pea-sized brain to realize it wasn't about "drafting a rookie." It was about drafting Mark Sanchez. Many, myself included, simply didn't think he was worth the pick. I still believe that.

This thread and all of the zombies statements remind me of one of my favorite sayings:

"never argue with an idiot, they will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

Of course you do.

I was not a Sanchez supporter one bit, but I bet he ends up a much better qb than Cassel. I hope this ends up being dead wrong.

This team has about a billion more problems before QB

I can understand your position. I mean, what was there to like?

here we go:

I wasn't on board because of the bust factor of him only having such a small sample to go off in college, he also played on a very talented team.

This is also why I didn't like the Cassel acquisition in the first place.

To be honest, I wanted to sign Jeff Garcia and wait till next year to draft a QB. I hoped Gailey would stick and that we would draft Bradford this year with our first.

I was torn about our first rounder and taking Jackson to force the 3-4 was disapointing, but change was in order. Drastic change.

I would have rather drafted Orakpo and Mauluga with our top two and go with that plan at qb, than do what we did. No, that isnt saying that is what I wanted to do, just that it would have been better than what we did IMHO.

Orakpo(yeah I said it)
Dorsey
Tank
Hali

DJ
Rey
Williams

Flowers
Morgan
Pollard
Carr


is better than

Dorsey
Edwards
Jackson

Hali
Williams
Mays
Vrabel

Flowers
Morgan
Brown
Carr


...easily IMHO and that would have been a failure of a draft, but at least would have made us better immediately and long term as well. At least that defense could pressure opposing qbs and play good rush defense.

Pair that to an upgraded mobile qb that has good leadership and veteran presence and spend some money on Jason Brown and use some picks between rounds 3-5 on olinemen and another receiver to pair with Bowe and keep Tony G.

That puts the offense at
Garcia/Thigpen/Croyle
Cox
LJ/Charles/Battle/Kolby

Albert/Taylor
Waters/draft pick
Brown/Wade Smith
Rudy/draft pick
Taucher/fa

Tony G/Cottam/fa
Bowe
draft pick

We might have a chance at winning a few with that lineup.

What do I know.

I'm down with going the route of Sanchez/Garcia. I think that would have been a good combination of stop-gap/mentor, and building for the future. I do but I don't understand the concept of throwing these guys out on the field in their rookie years like Detroit and NYJ have done. It wouldn't have killed either of those guys to sit this year, especially Stafford. But what's done is done.
You can't look at what Mark has done and not be impressed. Even with the bumps in the road, the NFL learning-curve, and the lumps he's taken, the kid absolutely refuses to roll over and wilt.
As to the rest of our 09 draft and direction of the team, you should ask Hamas to re-post his board; it'll make you ****ing cringe and bang your head at how awesome and complete it is.

I see eye to eye with Hamas more than any other poster on the board on most issues since I have been here. We dont agree on everything, but I respect his opinion more than most on here, that is for sure! I am also sure he watches more college ball than me so his opinion on matters reguarding the players in the draft should hold a lot more weight than mine would if I doubled how much I watch college ball outside of a few teams.

You could definitely say take out Orakpo from my "bad example" and place Sanchez on the bench behind Garcia. I could see that. I wouldnt be against it 100% But it would be handcuffing us to him no matter what and I think that if we kept gailey, we also kept the "Arrowspread" and that Bradford would be a much better fit than Sanchez would be to it. JMO I may be wrong.

We need/ed a pass rusher and Orakpo was the best one out there and would have at least fit a need is all I am really saying.

Its really disappointing/disturbing to think how many different directions we could have gone other than the one we did.

Well here's the thing, and I believe this to be true; Pioli was less interested in a build or "rebuild" than he was in trying to introduce a paradigm-shift to the operation as a whole.
Unfortunately, many things were underplayed, unnoticed, and quite frankly neglected as a result.
These guys are in a ****ing hole and desperately trying to get out of it.
Not because they suck, not because they have no talent or the proper mentoring necessary to begin the new jobs and task that they've undertaken, but because their first consensus as a partnership was the Wrong Call.
Fortunately, we're in a good place cap-wise to start turning it around. But the reality is; this year is lost, and the upcoming off season is where it truly begins for the "new face" of this franchise.
On many fronts.

People here and elsewhere complain about "lack of patience". To accuse a Chiefs fan of having "no patience" is to call the Earth flat; it's an absolute ****ing joke.
Are you ****ing kidding me?!?!?
If Chiefs fans were a Monastic Order, we'd more than likely be named "Disciples of Job" for ****'s sake.
But that doesn't mean we have to sit idly by and just "hope that people know what they're doing", and that everything is going to be alright.

Besides, where's the fun in that?

I submit that this fan base needs to get a little tougher and darker; the festive era of 60's Chiefs are over and we're dealing with guys who are more or less straight-up east coast.
It's time for the Chiefs Nation to grow eyes in the back and sleep with one eye open.

milkman this is just soo wrong. i have watched it 20 times and he never slows down

Not reading all 14 pages of this, so if this has been said, who cares.

I wish everyone would get of everyone else's back.

This is a play that needs to be giffed.

i agree. there are so many people wrong about this. the pass was a rainbow. that part is right. BUT chambers never slowed down to catch it.


the rainbow part doesnt bother me so much because a lot of qbs throw the ball with that type of trajectory. but the pass was spot on the money

oh and paging clay, clay we need some giffin action page 14