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HemiEd 01-12-2010 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6438279)
I think five percent is a pretty huge difference. And seven percent behind Eli.

He was marginally behind Thigpen. With Moss and Welker. :rockon:

There are a lot of numbers up there, where did you decide to get 5%? Their overall QB rating? It has to be a much larger gap than that, Cassel has to be near the bottom.

Those numbers posted, actually show him being strong on the short passes, behind the LOS and 1-10 yards.

Rasputin 01-12-2010 03:32 PM

Cassel would still be holding a clip board if Tom Brady didn't go down. Just sayin.

Mecca 01-12-2010 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cool han Luke (Post 6438306)
Cassel would still be holding a clip board if Tom Brady didn't go down. Just sayin.

Well on that same token he'd be someone elses problem if we didn't desire to be Patriots west.

Chiefnj2 01-12-2010 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6438264)
I think milkman might be the most fair in his assessment of Cassel by saying that he could become a decent game manager. And mm is probably right.

Still, I'm sorry, how many times do we have to go down this road?

I guess people could discuss why he regressed, or they can just say he sucks and will never get better. I'd rather focus on the "why" this offseason, because I'm 90% certain he's the QB for 2010. I'd like to think he can improve and was set back this year because: his OC and HC were never on the same page, a new offensive system a week before the season, an ever changing WR corps., an early/mid season OL that let him get hit too many times giving him happy feet, league leading WR drops, no running game the first half of the season, the top WR getting a 4 game suspension, poor playcalling on 1st and 2nd down setting up 3rd and long.

Chiefnj2 01-12-2010 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cool han Luke (Post 6438306)
Cassel would still be holding a clip board if Tom Brady didn't go down. Just sayin.

And Brady may still be holding a clipboard if Bledsoe didn't get knocked silly, and Warner would be stocking shelves if Green didn't blow out his knee.

HemiEd 01-12-2010 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6438283)
Anyone that watched Rodgers play this year, if you think Cassel is only marginally behind him...you need some serious help.

No doubt about that.

Mecca 01-12-2010 03:38 PM

How much better is he going to get?

I mean best case scenario here is we have a QB that won't lose us games, that wasn't what any of us wanted.

DeezNutz 01-12-2010 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6438315)
I guess people could discuss why he regressed, or they can just say he sucks and will never get better. I'd rather focus on the "why" this offseason, because I'm 90% certain he's the QB for 2010. I'd like to think he can improve and was set back this year because: his OC and HC were never on the same page, a new offensive system a week before the season, an ever changing WR corps., an early/mid season OL that let him get hit too many times giving him happy feet, league leading WR drops, no running game the first half of the season, the top WR getting a 4 game suspension, poor playcalling on 1st and 2nd down setting up 3rd and long.

Look, I don't necessarily disagree with any of these things, and I think Cassel will definitely be better with Weis on board. And that's a great thing.

But then you see a wobble punt to Chambers (or the crossbar) and have to be given pause by the stark reality that this guy just isn't the answer. At least as it pertains to building a championship-level team. The numbers, here and in NE, aren't lying.

I see him as just another stopgap.

HemiEd 01-12-2010 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6438315)
I guess people could discuss why he regressed, or they can just say he sucks and will never get better. I'd rather focus on the "why" this offseason, because I'm 90% certain he's the QB for 2010. I'd like to think he can improve and was set back this year because: his OC and HC were never on the same page, a new offensive system a week before the season, an ever changing WR corps., an early/mid season OL that let him get hit too many times giving him happy feet, league leading WR drops, no running game the first half of the season, the top WR getting a 4 game suspension, poor playcalling on 1st and 2nd down setting up 3rd and long.

Do you think those are the reasons he is so inaccurate with his ball placement?
How many balls did he throw well behind receivers this year? Some were even caught.
Then on the long passes, he would lead them way too much.

But at least everyone knew who he was throwing to, he would stare them down.

He just plain has a long way to go, hopefully they can fix it and he will come through.

His biggest strength right now, is he that he is one tough guy, tough.

Mecca 01-12-2010 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6438329)
Look, I don't necessarily disagree with any of these things, and I think Cassel will definitely be better with Weis on board. And that's a great thing.

But then you see a wobble punt to Chambers (or the crossbar) and have to be given pause by the stark reality that this guy just isn't the answer. At least as it pertains to building a championship-level team.

I see him as just another stopgap.

Problem being, I don't think our GM thinks he's a stop gap.

DeezNutz 01-12-2010 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6438334)
Problem being, I don't think our GM thinks he's a stop gap.

Probably not.

I'm hoping beyond hope that we acquire legit competition for Cassel, either through the draft or FA (LMAO at the latter b/c of obvious reasons), but Haley's comments about Croyle damn near kill this hope.

If it were me, I'm drafting Clausen if he magically falls to 5.

Hammock Parties 01-12-2010 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 6438303)
There are a lot of numbers up there, where did you decide to get 5%? Their overall QB rating? It has to be a much larger gap than that, Cassel has to be near the bottom.

Those numbers posted, actually show him being strong on the short passes, behind the LOS and 1-10 yards.

Difference in completion percentage past 10 yards.

And FWIW, it was a full 9 percent the year before, when Cassel was in an ideal situation. 49 vs 40.

Chiefnj2 01-12-2010 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6438322)

I mean best case scenario here is we have a QB that won't lose us games, that wasn't what any of us wanted.

Nobody knows this yet.

Mecca 01-12-2010 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6438354)
Nobody knows this yet.

Really, other than being Chiefs fans what evidence is there that this guy will ever be more than an average QB?

I mean the talent doesn't exude out of him, what signs are there? That he played ok on a team with elite WR's?

TigerPig 01-12-2010 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6438299)
Cassel's passing production improved with better offensive line and receiver player.

His TD-INT ratio plummeted. So yeah, I'd say that's on him.

Not the drops? Or maybe his TD-INT ratio got all messed up because Charles started running them in instead?

I'm not making excuses for the guy. I just know we're going to have Cassel this year, and I'm trying to see what everyone else thinks should be done if we're stuck with the guy for at least one more year.

Though I do think Haley's insistence to keep Croyle tells me if Cassel isn't doing well by about half way through this 2010 season, he'll be benched.


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