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kcfanXIII 01-22-2011 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 7374460)
Actually, I'd bet that NO ONE who is currently in the minor leagues will be traded by 2016. As one of the key rookies would have to break spring training with the big club to even be in his final year of team control. And that's not going to happen.

They're not going to pay to keep EVERYBODY. But the Royals will be able to keep the best of this crop of players. The key is having a farm system that will keep producing (see the Twins, for a close example).

And the second wave already looks very promising.

It doesn't matter when they get traded. The point is they will be trade, because that's what Glass does. The guy wouldn't know how to run a winning franchise if they made a "for dummies" book for it. Oh the guy can turn a profit, while the winning clubs write him a revenue sharing check. But he will never put winning above profit.

duncan_idaho 01-22-2011 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII (Post 7374479)
It doesn't matter when they get traded. The point is they will be trade, because that's what Glass does. The guy wouldn't know how to run a winning franchise if they made a "for dummies" book for it. Oh the guy can turn a profit, while the winning clubs write him a revenue sharing check. But he will never put winning above profit.

If you can't see the changes in the way the franchise is being run, you're not looking, man.

I understand the frustration, but if Glass is willing to pump the payroll into the $70-80 million range, the Royals will be able to spend some of that cash on keeping the key young players, like the Twins have done with Morneau and Mauer.

Glass changed the way he was running the organization when he hired Dayton Moore. This is never going to be a team that spends freely in free agency, but it is a team that will spend competitively with similar markets now.

And that's enough to keep your best talent while continuing to spend the money on scouting and development to keep more coming through the system.

kcfanXIII 01-22-2011 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 7374488)
If you can't see the changes in the way the franchise is being run, you're not looking, man.

I understand the frustration, but if Glass is willing to pump the payroll into the $70-80 million range, the Royals will be able to spend some of that cash on keeping the key young players, like the Twins have done with Morneau and Mauer.

Glass changed the way he was running the organization when he hired Dayton Moore. This is never going to be a team that spends freely in free agency, but it is a team that will spend competitively with similar markets now.

And that's enough to keep your best talent while continuing to spend the money on scouting and development to keep more coming through the system.

you expect him to just double the payroll? He has shown no tendency to do so in the past. And your wrong. Im not frustrated, I'm ****ing pissed. There is NO commitment to winning on the major league level. And I've seen enough failed youth movements to get my hopes up. Its the SHOW ME state. And the only thing I've been shown is a worthless pile of Shit that's getting harder and harder to justify spending money on.

duncan_idaho 01-22-2011 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII (Post 7374496)
you expect him to just double the payroll? He has shown no tendency to do so in the past. And your wrong. Im not frustrated, I'm ****ing pissed. There is NO commitment to winning on the major league level. And I've seen enough failed youth movements to get my hopes up. Its the SHOW ME state. And the only thing I've been shown is a worthless pile of Shit that's getting harder and harder to justify spending money on.

The payroll went into the 75 million range the past few seasons. I'm not expecting an instant doubling of the payroll ... Just a return to where he has OK'd taking it in the recent past.

I understand where you're coming from. Read up on he farm system yourself. You'll quickly realize that they've not done a youth movement the right way before ... The way they're doing it now.

jbwm89 01-22-2011 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 7374500)
The payroll went into the 75 million range the past few seasons. I'm not expecting an instant doubling of the payroll ... Just a return to where he has OK'd taking it in the recent past.

I understand where you're coming from. Read up on he farm system yourself. You'll quickly realize that they've not done a youth movement the right way before ... The way they're doing it now.

high payroll does not equal winning. There is no reason to sign anyone this year to a long term contract. Find me a player you want to lock up for 3-4 years instead of letting a prospect play.

I am so sick of the royals arent good bc we don't spend money, the rays. twins etc did not get where they were by spending money.

kcfanXIII 01-22-2011 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jbwm89 (Post 7374506)
high payroll does not equal winning. There is no reason to sign anyone this year to a long term contract. Find me a player you want to lock up for 3-4 years instead of letting a prospect play.

I am so sick of the royals arent good bc we don't spend money, the rays. twins etc did not get where they were by spending money.

Im not saying go get guys... Im saying keep our own guys. Tired of watching the beltrans, Damons, and Grienkes traded off and/or not resigned. Until the ****ing cheapskate and the dumbass prove they care about winning they will remain on my shit list. I refuse to get my hopes up for the prospects. I don't watch minor league baseball. Don't give a shit about it. Im not from Omaha. I voted to renovate a stadium for a MAJOR LEAGUE TEAM. Glass is stealing from Jackson county and the other owners of big market teams. Royals MLB payroll i read is somewhere around 45 mil. That's laughable. And the nerve of that ****ing idiot Dayton Moore to tell the fans of KC to be patient. Doesn't that ****tard realize its been 26 years of miserable baseball. This season should be free because of that statement.

DeezNutz 01-22-2011 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jbwm89 (Post 7374506)
high payroll does not equal winning. There is no reason to sign anyone this year to a long term contract. Find me a player you want to lock up for 3-4 years instead of letting a prospect play.

I am so sick of the royals arent good bc we don't spend money, the rays. twins etc did not get where they were by spending money.

Overall, I agree, but now that the Twins are "there," complete with a new stadium, they have a sizable payroll; this needs to be the model for the Royals. $70M will not be sufficient.

While Glass has been better, Kietzman (I know, I know) made an interesting point the other day: Glass has essentially not agreed to interview requests ever since the vote passed for the stadium improvements. He was around for a brief period when the All-Star Game was announced, but otherwise...nothing. But he was glad to make many an appearance to lock up $200M+ of tax payer money.

So I'm sorry. Glass might be better, but there are still some very interesting douche signs reverberating from Arkansas. Furthermore, I will never fully give him a pass for shitting on this franchise for the better part of a decade. He tried to kill it, and now it's (somewhat) being brought back from the grave. Ultimately, **** him.

KChiefs1 01-22-2011 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7368199)
Figures have been exchanged. Last year Butler made $470,000. Butler is seeking $4.3MM this year, and the Royals offered $3.4MM.

They are close enough that I think they will meet in the middle to avoid arbitration, something a little bit under 4.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/0...medium=twitter

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Billy Butler Agrees To Extension With Royals

By Mike Axisa [January 22, 2011 at 10:11am CST]

The Royals and Billy Butler have agreed to a four-year, $30MM contract extension according to MLB.com's Dick Kaegel (on Twitter).

The deal buys out all three of Butler's arbitration-eligible years and one year of free agency.

MLBTR's Arbitration Tracker shows that Butler filed for $4.3MM in arbitration earlier this week while the Royals countered with $3.4MM.

Kansas City recently picked up an extra $12.4MM when Gil Meche unexpectedly retired.

Butler, 25 in April, has hit .309/.375/.480 with 36 homers over the last two seasons.

Just 28 players boast an OPS that high during that time (min. 1,000 PA), but Evan Longoria, Carlos Gonzalez, Ryan Zimmerman, Troy Tulowitzki, and Butler are the only ones to do so at age 25 or younger. Clearly, the Royals first baseman has emerged as one of the game's most dangerous young hitters.

Kansas City owns the game's best farm system, and they've now ensured that their best position player at the Major League level will be around when some of those highly touted prospects start to arrive. MLBTR's readers discussed Butler's future with the Royals after the team traded Zack Greinke to the Brewers last month.

Bowser 01-22-2011 10:56 AM

Good deal.

Now, if Billy can manage to drop 15 lbs or so and get his HR's to around the 30-34 mark, this deal will look genius.

Infidel Goat 01-22-2011 10:58 AM

The Butler signing looks like a great deal..

Infidel Goat 01-22-2011 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 7374680)
Good deal.

Now, if Billy can manage to drop 15 lbs or so and get his HR's to around the 30-34 mark, this deal will look genius.

He's going to be our DH. I don't care if he gains 15 lbs (half of it fat) if his HR total climbs...

DeezNutz 01-22-2011 11:00 AM

Excellent.

duncan_idaho 01-22-2011 11:01 AM

The guy who deserves an extension just got one. Everyone else? We will wait for it. Soria already has a good deal in place. Everyone else needs to prove he deserves it ... Until then, the payroll is going to be low.

keg in kc 01-22-2011 11:06 AM

I remember listening to some of an interview with Butler several weeks ago, around the time of Grienke's trade, when he talked about how he wanted to stay in Kansas City and be part of the team for a long time. First sign he might have been serious, although it does only cover a year of FA.

kcfanXIII 01-22-2011 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Infidel Goat (Post 7374682)
He's going to be our DH. I don't care if he gains 15 lbs (half of it fat) if his HR total climbs...

Glass wants the same thing, it would drive his trade value up.


And there is a reason the son of a bitch won't do interviews. Its called a guilty conscience, and he doesn't want to get called on his lies. JaCo taxpayers have every right to be pissed at him. And if i saw the mother ****er in public i would call him on it.


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