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OnTheWarpath15 04-27-2011 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7595804)
Sometimes defenders make plays. It's shocking I know.

If you're looking for highlights to showcase the holes in McCluster's game, that's the wrong one. That's a missed block and an easy play for Selvie. McCluster had no chance. Dante Hall wouldn't have gotten out of that one. Or any other returner you want to name.

(Of course, if it had been Dante Hall, it would have been Gary Stills (IIRC) blocking Selvie and not Williams, so he might have gotten a return out of it after all.)

Team game, man.
I'd expect that from others, but am shocked you'd say something this ridiculous.

Open field tackles are FAR from easy in this league. Guys miss open field tackles easier than this every week.

This isn't like the clip where Dex catches the ball and Samuel or Reed is RIGHT THERE. That's having no chance.

Bottom line, Dex shows no speed and no field vision on the play. Open field against a guy 80 pounds heavier who runs a 4.93? Dex should win that matchup every time.

BigMeatballDave 04-27-2011 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Red 5 (Post 7595779)
I didn't say "behind," I said run down.
LMAO WTF do you think 'run down' means?

How many players get 'run down' head-on?

Titty Meat 04-27-2011 01:04 PM
What about the play where he scores vs the Niners?

keg in kc 04-27-2011 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7595830)
I'd expect that from others, but am shocked you'd say something this ridiculous.

Open field tackles are FAR from easy in this league. Guys miss open field tackles easier than this every week.
It's not ridiculous. It was a good defensive play. It happens. And you can hype Selvie's 40 time all you want, but that was a good burst of speed he showed there through the hole.

clay could probably find a hundred other McCluster highlights to outline exactly how elusive he was not last year. God knows there were plenty of them, the number of times he was taken down. He just happened to pick the wrong one.

BigMeatballDave 04-27-2011 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7595830)
I'd expect that from others, but am shocked you'd say something this ridiculous.

Open field tackles are FAR from easy in this league. Guys miss open field tackles easier than this every week.

This isn't like the clip where Dex catches the ball and Samuel or Reed is RIGHT THERE. That's having no chance.

Bottom line, Dex shows no speed and no field vision on the play. Open field against a guy 80 pounds heavier who runs a 4.93? Dex should win that matchup every time.
Its entirely possible you are over-reacting to this.

I dont know what Dex will be. The potential is there. We'll see. You guys, however, are looking for anything and everything to prove he'll bust.

Yeah, I'm giving the guy the benefit of the doubt, he's a 2nd yr player.

Chiefnj2 04-27-2011 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7595813)
Yep.

This was just the example that came to my head.

A 170 pound scatback that is supposedly "elusive" should never get pulled down in the open field by a LB that outweighs him by 80 pounds and runs a 4.93 40.
Do you realize that in the game of football there are 20 other players on the field that may have some affect on where that scatback can move?

In your NFL a 140lb elusive person would never get tackled because all defenders would outweigh him by 50 plus pounds.

Rausch 04-27-2011 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BCD (Post 7595776)
Heh. Run down. Looks like Selvie took a good angle and made a nice open-field tackle.
This...

WV 04-27-2011 01:07 PM
He's going to get broke the **** up.

OnTheWarpath15 04-27-2011 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BCD (Post 7595850)
Its entirely possible you are over-reacting to this.

I dont know what Dex will be. The potential is there. We'll see. You guys, however, are looking for anything and everything to prove he'll bust.

Yeah, I'm giving the guy the benefit of the doubt, he's a 2nd yr player.
You keep using the word bust.

I haven't used it. DJ'sLeftNut said it well earlier, and most of you guys chose to overlook it.

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When the pick was made, it was panned by many as a stupid luxury pick for a team that had pressing issues at NT, LB, QB and yes, WR. Instead we took a gimmicky scat-back that likely couldn't stay healthy who would struggle to find a regular role in the offense. We were informed that he was clearly going to be the #3 WR the team desperately needed (and that someone like Benn or Williams would be nowhere near as good as the elusive midget).

16 NFL regular season games and 1 post-season game later he has shown to be a guy that couldn't stay healthy and who we couldn't find a regular role in the offense. It also appears increasingly likely that he isn't going to be the #3 WR and most assuredly won't be better than most of the WRs taken after him.

It's not a knee-jerk reaction, it's a vindication. Those of us that hated this pick from the moment it was made have been right across the board. If you need to call it a knee-jerk reaction in order to make yourself feel better, so be it. But there's nothing knee-jerk about this; the angst over this pick has been a long time coming.
So far, he's proven the people that hated the pick right.

He has time to prove those of us wrong, as well.

But as of 4/27/2011, it's been a pretty piss-poor pick, considering.

keg in kc 04-27-2011 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by WVChiefFan (Post 7595855)
He's going to get broke the **** up.
Been my concern all along.

And precisely why I don't want to see him spending too much time at RB and getting wailed-on by LBs.

Marcellus 04-27-2011 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BCD (Post 7595850)
Its entirely possible you are over-reacting to this.

I dont know what Dex will be. The potential is there. We'll see. You guys, however, are looking for anything and everything to prove he'll bust.

Yeah, I'm giving the guy the benefit of the doubt, he's a 2nd yr player.
You mean that 16 games is not enough to evaluate the full potential of a player and his NFL career?

Players can get better in year 2 and beyond?

I say just cut his ass now and lets not waste the time.


For the record, he needs make an impact this year or yea, bad pick.

Hammock Parties 04-27-2011 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7595804)
If you're looking for highlights to showcase the holes in McCluster's game, that's the wrong one.
OTWP brought it up.

Anyway, here's some more stellar elusiveness. On a play designed for McCluster to make a guy miss, no less...

http://i.imgur.com/Hq5z4.gif

OnTheWarpath15 04-27-2011 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 7595882)
You mean that 16 games is not enough to evaluate the full potential of a player and his NFL career?

Players can get better in year 2 and beyond?

I say just cut his ass now and lets not waste the time.
Who here has said he can't get better?

I'll wait.

How about those of you that hated the pick on draft day because he was listed as a RB - and have since rationalized the pick because he was going to play the slot - but continue to rationalize the pick now that he's being moved to RB full time - help Marcellus out.

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan 04-27-2011 01:19 PM
I think Pestilence ought to explain how he got "definitely moving to running back" out of the snipped he posted.

hinted =! definitely moving

Very misleading title that skewed the tenor of the conversation from the start.

ToxSocks 04-27-2011 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Red 5 (Post 7595779)
I didn't say "behind," I said run down.

It's not quite as bad as I imagined but McCluster shows 0 elusiveness on that play...and 0 speed.
It's called an angle. You know, sometimes defenders are trained to take proper angles to compensate for lack of speed.

I'm sure you can find plenty of plays of Charles that look just look just like that. But he's not fast or elusive or anything......

This thread is becoming comical.

GC, you're trying way to hard to be a hater.


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