Exactly.

IIRC Favre wasnt exactly thought of as a brain surgeon either, but Holmgren rode his ass 24/7 and got the best out of him.

You're all over the place.

A little bit different.

It's funny, we always go to exceptions. Yes, he did do that with Favre. But how many guys failed at doing it?


Odds aren't exactly in his favor. Not saying it can't be done, but.

Favre may be a dumb hick, but Bray makes him look like Nikola Tesla.

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Yet you'd take EJ Manuel in the 3rd or 4th? You're ****ing stupid as shit.

He bulked up huh? This is a good thing but not for the Jags. Teams will want to actually see him. Hopefully he's average.

Couldn't be a bigger contrast between Bray's presser and Barkley's.

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora
Tenn QB Tyler Bray drawing a buzz among scouts with big arm and release. I expect him to rise in the coming weeks: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ja...ve-draft-stock …


2013 NFL Combine: Tennessee QB Bray's arm, release may up stock

INDIANAPOLIS -- Tennessee quarterback Tyler Bray could be a fast riser coming out of a thin class at the NFL Scouting Combine.

Bray could end up being picked higher than many expect after generating buzz with scouts and GMs, who love his size (6-foot-6) and believe he has by far the best arm and release in this draft.

Bray may not be as mobile as some, but there is certainly a market for big drop-back passers -- Tom Brady hasn't had a bad career and a quarterback with a similar stature to Bray (Joe Flacco) just won the MVP of the Super Bowl. Bray has had character issues in the past -- and his maturity is a question -- but there is a lot to like as well.

Teams will get to know him better as he makes visits, and Bray, who left school after his junior year, could end up being a fit for several teams (he has some attributes that quarterback-needy Cleveland would like, for instance). The more comfortable teams become with him the more likely he gets pushed up the board.

He made a good first impression Sunday in the shorts and shirt, and while he must continue honing his accuracy, his arm stood out at the combine.

i thought bray actually looked very good, good footwork nice throw and touch, he missed a couple but they weren't far off

I like Bray and have him rated higher than Barkley.

Oh **** me. Now some people coming out of the woodwork. Jags don't **** this up for me....

yep #3 on my QB board

When is this guys Pro Day?