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RealSNR 02-28-2014 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10459205)
You do realize that we didn't have a good offense until our OL picked up their play right? If a 1st round OL player this year could improve our OL play over last year from day 1, it stands to reason that our offense, even if we just stay status quo at WR and TE, will continue to perform at a high rate on a more consistent basis.

Plus, I don't know how many times we have to say it, but there are a bunch of WRs who can be productive in this offense that will be available in the 2nd-4th rounds and maybe even later.
We saw that improved play with the guys who played like shit earlier in the year. Doesn't it stand to reason that we can get that quality play by keeping those players on the team or going after cheap veteran options?

mcaj22 02-28-2014 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10459205)
You do realize that we didn't have a good offense until our OL picked up their play right? If a 1st round OL player this year could improve our OL play over last year from day 1, it stands to reason that our offense, even if we just stay status quo at WR and TE, will continue to perform at a high rate on a more consistent basis.

Plus, I don't know how many times we have to say it, but there are a bunch of WRs who can be productive in this offense that will be available in the 2nd-4th rounds and maybe even later.
the oline picked up their play because we swapped a 3rd round Guard for a 7th round FA scrap heap journeyman and a 1st overall RT for a 3rd round swing tackle.

So the argument actually goes AGAINST you.

then the last game of the season the undrafted and late round picks in Kush and the gang didn't really look any different, against the Chargers starters.

-King- 02-28-2014 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 10459183)
I am not sure of the quality of these guards you are talking about. Asamoah and Allen have not turned out to be so great.
But lets look at the draft last year with keeping in mind that it was not considered a great or deep year.
There was 3 OG taken in the first round: 7th, 10th, and 20th pick overall. There were 4 other OGs taken in the 3rd round.
Asamoah as of right now has had a better career than Schwartz, benching and all. In 2012 he allowed 2 sacks. In Schwartz's only year where he started all 16 games, he allowed 6.

I believe Asamoah was more a victim of the scheme we were trying to run early on in the season than him being bad. He was good in zone blocking which we ran more of at the end of the year. He likely would have been just as good if not better had we switched earlier.

-King- 02-28-2014 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10459194)
Guards aren't difficult to find late in the draft, but that doesn't mean every guard you draft is gold.

Hell, just look at the ones the Chiefs have taken in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Even if there's great potential in them, none of them have ever been ready to start Week 1.

It's far more likely that our late round guard or Rishaw Johnson isn't ready and sucks. Far more than it is that Geoff Schwartz, a multi-year veteran who has played well for two different teams, can't handle a starting spot that he already took over last year adequately.
Not really.

He allowed 6 sacks in 2010 when he was a starter http://www.profootballweekly.com/pla...hwartz-267010/

Other than that he's been a career backup. You think that's a coincidence?

BigMeatballDave 02-28-2014 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10459200)
Who's the last guard the Chiefs drafted who turned out to be not a turd?

Will Shields.
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Brandon Albert :D

ct 02-28-2014 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10459233)
Not really.

He allowed 6 sacks in 2010 when he was a starter http://www.profootballweekly.com/pla...hwartz-267010/

Other than that he's been a career backup. You think that's a coincidence?
Seriously dude, don't link a site that literally has an out of business sign posted on the front page from 9 freakin months ago...

fail, seriously fail

:shake:

-King- 02-28-2014 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ct (Post 10459244)
Seriously dude, don't link a site that literally has an out of business sign posted on the front page from 9 freakin months ago...

fail, seriously fail

:shake:
All their stats are provided by Stats.inc.

The Franchise 02-28-2014 03:55 PM
He allowed 6 sacks....when Jimmy Clausen was their starting QB.....as a rookie. JFC....burn him at the stake.

OldSchool 02-28-2014 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10459216)
the oline picked up their play because we swapped a 3rd round Guard for a 7th round FA scrap heap journeyman and a 1st overall RT for a 3rd round swing tackle.

So the argument actually goes AGAINST you.

then the last game of the season the undrafted and late round picks in Kush and the gang didn't really look any different, against the Chargers starters.
Let me use another team as an example, Alex Smith's former team, the 49ers.

They are regarded as having one of the best OLs and best front 7s in the NFL. Let's look at where their players were drafted:

LT- Joe Staley- 1st round
LG- Mike Iupati- 1st round
RT- Anthony Davis- 1st round
C- Jonathan Goodwin- 5th round (FA already established as a good starter in the league)
RG- Alex Boone- UDFA (he was a 2nd round talent who fell out of the draft due to a well documented drinking problem so it's not like the 49ers magically discovered him)

3 1st round picks, an already established starting caliber Center, and a 2nd round talent who fell out of the draft due to off the field issues. Niners weren't taking a shot in the dark, they went and got their guys to solidify their OL. Only one you could make an argument for is Boone but he's hardly a surprising find talent-wise; he just couldn't care about his draft status enough to stop binge drinking in college.

Now lets look at their front 7.

RDE- Justin Smith-1st round well established League vet.
NT- Glenn Dorsey- 1st round established League Vet.
LDE- Ray McDonald- 3rd pick (another guy who fell in the draft due to injuries in college)
ROLB- Aldon Smith- 1st round
MLB- Patrick Willis- 1st round
MLB- Navorro Bowman- 3rd round
LOLB- Ahmad Brooks- 3rd round in a supplemental draft, signed as FA

So one of the most dominant offensive lines in the league and most dominant DLs in the league is filled with 1st-3rd round talents and established league vets? Who would have guessed?

RealSNR 02-28-2014 03:57 PM
For the record, I'm not against re-signing Asamoah if we're really going to stick with ZBS.

We have little information about Dorsey's intentions as far as any of our potential free agents are concerned. Only thing we've heard thus far from his mouth is that he's in talks with Albert's people (like that will ever happen) and now this rumor about Schwartz.

In the meantime, though, let's not rely on a rookie.

booger 02-28-2014 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10459293)
For the record, I'm not against re-signing Asamoah if we're really going to stick with ZBS.

We have little information about Dorsey's intentions as far as any of our potential free agents are concerned. Only thing we've heard thus far from his mouth is that he's in talks with Albert's people (like that will ever happen) and now this rumor about Schwartz.

In the meantime, though, let's not rely on a rookie.
agree completely with all but especially bolded. Another 22-23 yr old is gonna make mistakes now matter how talented. This line doesn't need to get any younger

Mr. Laz 02-28-2014 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10458376)
We have plenty of options. You can easily bump Hudson, Allen, Rokevius Watkins, Rishaw Johnson. Hudson and Kush compete for Center. Now we just need depth at Tackle.

We can get both Guard and Tackle depth through the draft, the scrap pile, and cheap free agent pickups. To SNR's point... you don't have to use your first two rounds to get that either.
We do have options.


If Kush wins the center job that would allow Hudson to compete for guard as well.

Some people believe that Allen should be a swing tackle.

Mr. Laz 02-28-2014 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by booger (Post 10459300)
agree completely with all but especially bolded. Another 22-23 yr old is gonna make mistakes now matter how talented. This line doesn't need to get any younger
Eric Fisher sucks

chiefzilla1501 02-28-2014 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10459527)
We do have options.


If Kush wins the center job that would allow Hudson to compete for guard as well.

Some people believe that Allen should be a swing tackle.
That's the way I see it too. Allen, Rokevius Watkins, Hudson. I wouldn't be in a panic if they competed for 2 spots. All the while, groom some young guys to step in. But agree with SNR... no high picks.

If Schwartz is reasonably priced, great. I have a feeling some team will overpay him.

htismaqe 02-28-2014 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10459527)
Some people believe that Allen should be a swing tackle.
He was in college. A pretty good one actually.


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