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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 12083592)

Both of our outside linebackers (top two pass rushers) were injured.

There OL is so terrible though that the way Denver destroyed them doesn't mean squat according to this site.

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 12083667)

Sensitive feelings? L.O.L.

You want to talk about how great the Donkies are, go cheer for them. Oh wait, you already do.

There are several positions on the Chiefs that have far better players.

Of course, you aren't going to find that out for yourself so I'll point some out.

Dontari Poe - Better than any defensive lineman on either roster by a mile. Let's not make this some joke like it isn't the truth. Sure, he was legitimately injured this season at the onset, but that doesn't really matter. The fact is he has far more talent and is far more productive within his role than any other lineman on either team.

I'd argue that Wolfe and Jackson v. Howard and Bailey is about a wash but I'd give perhaps a slight edge to the Donks, who will likely lose Jackson, over the Chiefs who will likely lose Howard.

Travis Kelce - You tell me a better tight end on the Broncos roster. Ready, set, go. Okay, you can't. Move on.

Jamaal Charles - Light years better than any running back on either roster and it isn't even a conversation. The only factor that brings Charles down is his recent string of season-ending injuries. The Broncos use a pure committee approach, the Chiefs didn't before Charles' injury. Talent wise, you'd be grasping at straws to make an argument here.

Mitch Morse - Morse is better than Paradis by a mile. Only issue is the concussion.

Eric Berry - Easily better than any safety on the Broncos roster, it really is not a conversation.

Branch or Abdullah v. Stewart is pretty much a wash
Houston v. Miller is a wash
Hali v. Ware is a wash

Your thread about Talib is a joke, its arguable he isn't even the best CB on his own team more or less the entire league. At this point, I'd put Sean Smith pretty damn close overall. Peters is going to be better than any of them if he improves upon his play this year. I wouldn't trade CBs for the Chiefs system by a long shot.

I'd argue Alex Smith was better than any QB on the Broncos roster this season.

Dustin Colquitt is better than Britton.

Anthony Sherman just may be the best pure FB in the NFL, or at least is in the discussion for it. Not close.

The kickers are even.

Derrick Johnson v. Danny Trevathan is pretty even. Trevathan is much, much younger but I'm giving the current edge to DJ.

Brandon Marshall gets the definite nod over Josh Mauga.

Your only basic argument is that the Broncos have better guards and tackles than the Chiefs on offense and that their pair of good receivers trumps the Chiefs only having one good receiver. I'd put Maclin between Thomas and Sanders with Thomas being the best of the group, but even then all 3 are very different types of players.

You want to keep talking like an ass? Keep talking like an ass, I don't give a ****.

If the Chiefs are better pretty much everywhere, how horrible is your coaching to get knocked out in the divisional round while the Broncos won it all?

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 12084275)

If the Chiefs are better pretty much everywhere, how horrible is your coaching to get knocked out in the divisional round while the Broncos won it all?

Broncos in New England in January with no Von, no Ware, no Roby.

Yeah you would have went home as well.

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 12084275)

If the Chiefs are better pretty much everywhere, how horrible is your coaching to get knocked out in the divisional round while the Broncos won it all?

I wouldn't say better everywhere. The Broncos do have a much better offensive line overall. I would say that the Chiefs' line is a better fit for the Broncos than for the Chiefs, given their run first mentality under Kubiac. The Broncos have a better group of receivers overall than KC. I think, currently, as a pair, the Broncos have a slight edge at CB because Harris and Talib didn't give up the big plays that Peters did, but they also didn't force turnovers like Peters did. The Broncos pair of ILBs is better than what the Chiefs have. There are better talents on the Chiefs as individuals, but not necessarily better units overall.

And lets be realistic, the talent difference between KC and Denver is pretty even. It took a turnover machine miracle for the Broncos to beat the Chiefs the first time they played each other, and the Chiefs stomped the dog shit out of them the second time.

The best team from a talent perspective doesn't always win in the playoffs. KC had way too many injuries at key spots. If you take Demarcus Ware (Hali), Von Miller (Houston), Demaryius Thomas (Maclin), Bradley Roby (Gaines), CJ Anderson (Charles/Ware), and Matt Paradis (Morse) away from the Broncos, they just aren't as good of a football team. Those are the injuries KC dealt with in the season/playoffs comparative to what the Broncos were able to field.

Denver was just the team that lucked out with not getting injured. Chiefs, Cinci, NE and Pitt are all better than them when players are 100%.

They are bullshit champs with a joke at QB. They were lucky not to face Dalton, Lucky to face a banged up Ben without Bell, Williams and Brown. Lucky to face an injured NE offensive line and still should have lost but Bill B. screwed it up along their Gostowski. Not to mention the Pats blowing their last two games and losing the one seed. Very strange that they did. They were also lucky that we got all banged up. If not for our own injuries we would have won the division. Pure luck for them.

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 12084368)

I wouldn't say better everywhere. The Broncos do have a much better offensive line overall.

LMAO

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12084359)

Broncos in New England in January with no Von, no Ware, no Roby.

Yeah you would have went home as well.

It's interesting that now the Broncos apparently were healthy all season.

For some reason, I thought we lost our first and second string LTs, our starting TE and a second string DE for the entire season, one of our starting OLBs for 6 games, and our 3 top safeties for a significant amount of the end of the season. Oh yeah, and our HOF QB.

For example, David Bruton (TE-covering safety) broke his leg against PIT. He could have played in the AFCCG and the Super Bowl, but they had to IR him in December to make space to sign someone off the street to play safety, because our 2 starting safeties were also injured at the time.

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12084359)

Broncos in New England in January with no Von, no Ware, no Roby.

Yeah you would have went home as well.

We beat the Patriots without Ware.

Also, the second time we beat them, we did so without either of our starting safeties for the second half.

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 12084531)

We beat the Patriots without Ware.

Also, the second time we beat them, we did so without either of our starting safeties for the second half.

And the safeties that replaced our starting safeties were brought in off the street late in the year because both of our backup safeties were put on IR.

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 12084531)

We beat the Patriots without Ware.

Also, the second time we beat them, we did so without either of our starting safeties for the second half.

You wouldn't have won in New England healthy.

Take away Von and your entire defense changes instantly, no less without Ware and your 3rd best CB.

Anyone with eyes can see that Maclin, JC, Houston, Tamba are our best players. Let's not act like Denver would go into New England and win with such a handicap.

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 12084368)

I wouldn't say better everywhere. The Broncos do have a much better offensive line overall. I would say that the Chiefs' line is a better fit for the Broncos than for the Chiefs, given their run first mentality under Kubiac. The Broncos have a better group of receivers overall than KC. I think, currently, as a pair, the Broncos have a slight edge at CB because Harris and Talib didn't give up the big plays that Peters did, but they also didn't force turnovers like Peters did. The Broncos pair of ILBs is better than what the Chiefs have. There are better talents on the Chiefs as individuals, but not necessarily better units overall.

And lets be realistic, the talent difference between KC and Denver is pretty even. It took a turnover machine miracle for the Broncos to beat the Chiefs the first time they played each other, and the Chiefs stomped the dog shit out of them the second time.

The best team from a talent perspective doesn't always win in the playoffs. KC had way too many injuries at key spots. If you take Demarcus Ware (Hali), Von Miller (Houston), Demaryius Thomas (Maclin), Bradley Roby (Gaines), CJ Anderson (Charles/Ware), and Matt Paradis (Morse) away from the Broncos, they just aren't as good of a football team. Those are the injuries KC dealt with in the season/playoffs comparative to what the Broncos were able to field.

Again, Eric Fisher ****ing owns Von Miller. Wears him like a cheap suit.

And it was a fumble and two dropped interceptions that kept the Chiefs from beating the Patriots in Boston in the playoffs. Statistically, the Chiefs were the better team on the field.

I think if all guys are healthy on both sides of the ball, the Chiefs were a better team than Denver. Problem is it didn't work that way, and we lost our Von Miller, Ware, and Emmanuel Sanders when it mattered most. Still only lost by 7 in NE.

Injuries happen. I don't like using it as an excuse.

I would have liked to have seen the chiefs and broncos in the afc championship game though. Would have been a cool matchup.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12084636)

Injuries happen. I don't like using it as an excuse.

I would have liked to have seen the chiefs and broncos in the afc championship game though. Would have been a cool matchup.

You're right, but one can't deny that the only team in the AFC who had all of their horses come playoff time throughout January was Denver. They had it set up on a tee in that regard.