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-King- 04-18-2017 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12828771)
Thank God Tiger isn't in charge. Moving up for a WR with Alex Smith.

Talk about a complete waste of resources.
So you wouldn't improve pieces of your offense because Alex Smith will be here for another year or 2? That's dumb.
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Ebolapox 04-18-2017 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 12829204)
So you wouldn't improve pieces of your offense because Alex Smith will be here for another year or 2? That's dumb.
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not only that, it's a year of development. Pretty sure the colts are happy they drafted marvin harrison prior to peyton manning.

DJ's left nut 04-18-2017 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RobBlake (Post 12828316)
That makes no sense.. more weapons the merrier
You would think, but it's not so.

The weapons around Smith have increased exponentially since his arrival yet his production hasn't.

He's gone from Bowe, Avery and Fasano to Maclin, Hill and Kelce yet it's had negligible impact on his ability to produce points/yards. His line has improved significantly to no real effect as well.

At this point Smith has a top 10 OL and top 5 skill position players, IMO and with that he's been able to accomplish pretty much the same whole lotta meh that he was able to accomplish when he was surrounded with rags.

There's no sense at all in throwing more draft capital at woobies for Alex Smith; there's nothing out there that will appreciably raise his ceiling.

DJ's left nut 04-18-2017 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ebolapox (Post 12829211)
not only that, it's a year of development. Pretty sure the colts are happy they drafted marvin harrison prior to peyton manning.
I'm pretty sure the Colts wouldn't have given a wet shit about Marvin Harrison if they had Alex Smith under center.

And the Chiefs aren't going to be sitting at #1 overall and looking at the next Manning in 2018.

In other words, your analogy here is ****ing reeruned.

O.city 04-18-2017 01:29 PM
You've also got ware and Conley (who was good this last year, I'll take some crow there, he caught everything his way). They could add an ancillary piece or teo, but I'd imagine they're gonna want the ball in Hill, kelce and Maclin's hands as much as possible.

DJ's left nut 04-18-2017 01:30 PM
I'll just re-post what I said when O.city and I discussed this a month or so ago:

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....3&postcount=66

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12795873)
So who do his yards come at the expense of?

Because 'Even Steven' under center is incapable of producing MORE yards or points, he just produces them differently regardless of the weapons we have. So if you bring in McCaffrey, his yardage will just come at the expense of Ware, Kelce, Hill, Maclin and Conley. It will not come in addition to their yards.

Alex Smith is incapable of being more productive than average regardless of the weapons you give him. Surround him with HoFers and he's throwing for 3800 yards and running for 200 more while being responsible for somewhere between 18 and 23 TDs.

Give him utter tripe and he's throwing for 3300 yards while running for 400 more and being responsible for somwhere between 17 and 22 total TDs.

Stop bothering. Stop getting him linemen. Stop getting him receivers or running backs. Stop using capital to try to improve his situation because it just doesn't goddamn matter - he is going to throw for 220-230 YPG and run for another 20ish. And if the passing yards go up, the rushing yards will come down. You're looking at 230-240 yards per game in total offense from Alex Smith regardless of who you give him.

So burning another 1st round pick on him would be goddamn reeruned because in the end, all it's going to do is change the 'how' on the yardage and points, it ain't gonna change the 'how much'. And it won't change the 'when' - which is to say that when we need him most, he'll turtle and dump it off while your shiny first round draft pick is running uncovered down the center of the field.

He's the absolute pinnacle of mediocrity. I've never seen anything like it.

DJ's left nut 04-18-2017 01:35 PM
And then to SNR:

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthrea...1#post12794851

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12794851)
Yeup.

It's pretty remarkable, to be honest. It takes a hell of a set of tools to be able to take a team who's best pass catcher is an intermittently healthy Donnie Avery and be identically productive with a team that has Travis Kelce, Tyreke Hill, Jeremy Maclin and Chris Conley added to the mix.

I'm serious - how the **** does he even manage that? Give the guy shit and he produces like an average to slightly below average quarterback. It stands to reason that giving him actual weapons will yield some sort of ROI...

Nope - same goddamn guy. The ability to be nominally productive in his first year or two here with a bad line and zero weapons to speak of was pretty damn admirable. But the fact that he's pretty much just hugged that line of abject mediocrity while the team around him has gotten progressively better (to the point of legitimately dangerous)....well that's just bizarre.
I really don't have anything else to say on the subject - Alex Smith is who he is. And this isn't a team that should be looking to grab weapons in anticipation of our next hot-shot QB because 1) We have no history of lucking into them and 2) we have too good of a team to end up at the top of a draft with a shot at one anytime soon.

So instead they should gambling on tools and using their present veteran stopgap to give them the time they need to develop said tools (i.e. Mahomes, Kizer or Webb).

RealSNR 04-18-2017 01:44 PM
It would be fascinating to put Alex on a TRULY awful team as an experiment. The 2-14 Chiefs don't count, given our 7000 Pro Bowlers we had that year.

I'm talking a zero, nothing, nadda team. Like, I think Cleveland might be too good for Alex. I'm thinking a team like San Francisco that TRULY has nothing for him.

Put him on that team. Test the theory about Alex Smith really making your defense better because ball control is his #1 goal. Check out his stat line when he has no decent ballcarriers and no targets outside of maybe a decent TE and a wiley vet WR. See if he still keeps his INTs in the single digits and his TDs in the 18-22 range. See how many wins he can rack up playing that way.

You'll have to accommodate him with a head coach that isn't a TOTAL unknown or a bag of shit, I guess. But how many retreads are available every year? That shouldn't be too hard.

Most of all, put him on that team so he'll get the **** off of mine.

rico 04-18-2017 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12829008)
Rico posted something in the draft forum about 3 weeks ago that we are very interested in Kizer.
Yeah, Jeff Risdon from RealGM wrote this:


This is pure speculation based on a dinner conversation I had with a scout from a different team following Notre Dame’s pro day. His team believes Andy Reid and the Chiefs love the polarizing Kizer, who looked like a potential No. 1 overall pick in 2015 but regressed in ’16.

DJ's left nut 04-18-2017 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 12829265)
It would be fascinating to put Alex on a TRULY awful team as an experiment. The 2-14 Chiefs don't count, given our 7000 Pro Bowlers we had that year.

I'm talking a zero, nothing, nadda team. Like, I think Cleveland might be too good for Alex. I'm thinking a team like San Francisco that TRULY has nothing for him.

Put him on that team. Test the theory about Alex Smith really making your defense better because ball control is his #1 goal. Check out his stat line when he has no decent ballcarriers and no targets outside of maybe a decent TE and a wiley vet WR. See if he still keeps his INTs in the single digits and his TDs in the 18-22 range. See how many wins he can rack up playing that way.

You'll have to accommodate him with a head coach that isn't a TOTAL unknown or a bag of shit, I guess. But how many retreads are available every year? That shouldn't be too hard.

Most of all, put him on that team so he'll get the **** off of mine.
He will throw for 3,200 yards with 18 TDs and 8 interceptions while going 6-10. The league will sing his praises for how well he dealt with a weak supporting cast and heavy adversity and if he's a free agent he'll end up signing a contract with the Texans. People will insist that with Hopkins, Miller and Fuller and a steady OL, this is the year he'll take a big step forward and finally shed the 'game manager' label.

Then he'll go to Houston and throw for 3,400 yard with 17 TDs and 6 interceptions while going 10-6 before losing to the first halfway decent quarterback he faces in the postseason. The league will damn him for proving once and for all that he's a product of the teams around him (while failing to notice that the team around him doesn't matter and he's the same guy regardless of the surrounding talent).

100 years later we will unearth Alien tablets talking about their Alex Smith trollbot and how they just laughed and laughed and laughed because fans never realized that Alex Smith was an elaborate hoax perpetrated on a select few football fans to punish them for thinking offensive lines win championships.

http://rs1253.pbsrc.com/albums/hh583...ad42c.png~c200

****ing aliens got us again...

ptlyon 04-18-2017 02:48 PM
Lots of hate in here. I like it.

Hammock Parties 04-18-2017 02:49 PM
It's so glorious to have DJ's Left Nut adding his fuel to the fire in which Alex burns.

It makes it ever so smoky.

raybec 4 04-18-2017 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 12829374)
Lots of hate in here. I like it.
What's not to hate? The Chiefs won more than half of their games this year in spite of Alex not because of him. And, the Tenn. and Tampa losses can be put squarely on his narrow shoulders.

staylor26 04-18-2017 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rico (Post 12829275)
Yeah, Jeff Risdon from RealGM wrote this:


This is pure speculation based on a dinner conversation I had with a scout from a different team following Notre Dame’s pro day. His team believes Andy Reid and the Chiefs love the polarizing Kizer, who looked like a potential No. 1 overall pick in 2015 but regressed in ’16.
I could buy this. Wouldn't be surprised if all the attention on Mahomes is bs and they really love Kizer or Watson. Dorsey always plays it close to the vest.

raybec 4 04-18-2017 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12829389)
I could buy this. Wouldn't be surprised if all the attention on Mahomes is bs and they really love Kizer or Watson. Dorsey always plays it close to the vest.
Would you be happy with Kizer or Webb?


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