I know what you mean, and Royals fans have sure as **** been in this position far too often.

That said, I don't think you can think of DDJ as a player who fits because we have a 1B, 3B, SS, LF, C, etc. coming up. It just doesn't work like that because one or more of those players, likely, won't develop as hoped.

DeJesus is just a solid ball player, and I hope we keep him. But if we can get max. return, I think you have to make the deal. I'm in the same place with him now as I was with Soria last year.

If the return is REALLY solid, you make the move and don't look back.

So what would constitute a REALLY solid return?

2-3 high-level prospects.

For DeJesus, we'd probably get 2, but I'd want both to be among the top-5 in someone's organization. If this seems too steep, and it might, I'd tell 'em to **** off.

It could be that DDJ's market value isn't as great as his relative value to the Royals.

If we got 1 high level prospect for Dave I'd be thrilled.
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The thing about DDJ is if you get 1 high level prospect your likely to get...you guessed it...another DDJ..... a solid major leaguer.

I have a feeling we're going to get screwed again if(when) we trade DDJ. I'm fine with trading every other player on that list, except Bannister.

Which would be ridiculously stupid.

Hochevar to the DL.

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/06/16/m...ebook-june-16/

Exactly! And then you are back on the "well, just a few more years" bandwagon.

We trade DDJ for a prospect or 2 that, in a few more years, will become DDJ.

Ok, now that sucks!

I'd trade Bannister. He is nothing that wouldn't be hard to replace. And given a healthy rotation, I would be happy letting Chen replace him if that were the case.

I don't even know about that. They had better be prospects that are ready to come up and play. None of this, they will be ready in 2-3 years, crap.

Then you won't get anything worth a ****. And the "ready now" stipulation is the kind of crap that Glass used to insist upon.

That's how you get Perez for Dye and a cluster**** for Beltran. You want talent in return, but this doesn't necessarily mean advanced prospects or ML-ready ones.

Hypothetically, someone is willing to trade you Moosetacos for DDJ. Do you do it?

Young, unproven guy with (allegedly) tremendous upside for a solid ML player. If I'm the Royals, I'd want someone like this and another high-quality prospect. A legit throw-in.

Interesting link. Hope Hoch can come back soon.

Well, here is an idea that I have....don't ****ing trade him. Keep your good players and go get more. Glass or Baird was stupid about that shit. The bottom line is this, if we are only going to keep good players until, for some reason we don't want to pay them then this team is doomed. We will forever be a team with 1 good player, maybe 2 and forever waiting on prospects to mature to replace them as we pawn them off.

LMAO.

I understand and largely agree.

Hell no. Moosetacos, drafted to play SS, moved to 3rd and still is 2 years out. Screw that. That's the "hurry up and wait" mentality I am talking about.

We're never going to win anything if we keep trading away our good players, overpaying has-beens and waiting on prospects.

Not true. It was pretty well accepted at the time of the draft that he'd be at 3B or LF/RF.

Colon should stick, though.

that sucks that Hoch is on the DL he has been fun to watch this season

Ok, WTF is wrong with this picture? I'll give a hint, one of these things is not like the others...


The All-Star Game’s Economic Impact

2012, Kansas City: $60-65 million (estimated)

2011, Phoenix: $60-65 million (estimated)

2010, Anaheim, Calif.: $60-65 million (estimated)

2009, St. Louis: $60 million

2008, New York (AL): $148.4 million

2007, San Francisco: $65 million

2006, Pittsburgh: $52.3 million

2005, Detroit: $52.2 million

2004, Houston: $65 million

2003, Chicago (AL): $60 million

2002, Milwaukee: $50 million

2001, Seattle: $50 million

2000, Atlanta: $49 million

1999, Boston: $65 million

1998, Denver: $40.5 million

1997, Cleveland: $37.6 million

1996, Philadelphia: $55.9 million

To reach Bob Dutton, Royals reporter for The Star, send e-mail to bdutton@kcstar.com. Follow his updates at twitter.com/Royals_Report.

Posted on Wed, Jun. 16, 2010 05:06 PM

I just read in the Star that Yost expects him (Hoch) to miss no more than 2 starts.

Thats not so bad

I'd still trade DDJ for atleast 2 high level prospects...they are always an 'if' but it's not like we're trading Beltran in his prime here...love DDJ as he works his tail off but he has been known to be injury prone from time to time. That said his value right now is as high as it's ever been. You trade him only for that 'right' haul, anything else tell them to **** off.

http://kansascity.sbnation.com/2010/...y-mike-sweeney

Sweeney would like to come to kc for 2012 as game...

Mike Sweeney Plans To Be At 2012 MLB All-Star Game In Kansas City

Jun 16 10:34p by Joel Thorman

A very familiar name to Royals fans plans to be in attendance at the 2012 MLB All-Star Game....probably not as a player though.

"My thought was, 'Well, chances are I won't be playing in 2012, but I'd like to be at that game,'" Mike Sweeney said by phone from Seattle.

Sweeney, now with the Mariners, said his teammates were very impressed with not just Kauffman Stadium but everything Kansas City has to offer.

"For many years I called Kansas City home and for it to be recognized for the All-Star Game, I'm already making plans for July 2012," he said.

"Hopefully, we'll see Zack Greinke or Billy Butler or Joakim Soria in the game. Or Mike Moustakas, you never know."

Ah, it's good to hear Sweeney's heart is still in the right place.

My respect for Sweeney has ballooned because he knows the name of one of our top prospects.

GREAT!

He can a buy ticket.

Maybe we can induct him in the Royals Hall Of Fame that weekend.

And the promptly watch A-Roid or another guy smash the windows in the HOF during the Home Run Derby.

Can you imagine, with the limited number of seats out there, how much THOSE seats will fetch for the HR Derby?

Royals fans, I've been thinking, which is dangerous...

Will having the 2012 All-Star Game cause us to be more proactive in FA and trades to ensure that we have a respectable product on the field in 2012? Will Glass be induced to spend even more to pursue the best talent?

Imagine the organization's embarrassment if the national spotlight has to shine upon an organization that has been flirting with a .400 winning percentage for years...

Or he's just banking on the guys in Double A coming up and being stars...and if they struggle we'll load up on the Milton Bradley's, Reggie Sanders', and Jose Guillen's of the game.

How did it work for the Pirates when PNC Park hosted the game?

No doubt that's a major part, but we'll have so many contracts off the books that I find it doubtful that we'll keep our ML payroll at ridiculously low records.

"Well...the Royals are struggling Joe. Lot of young players and a $25M payroll..."

That wouldn't play that well, I don't think.

Shut the **** up. Don't bring past history into this thread as evidence for future possibilities.

no shit what is this baseball?

cool article from Rany today, mostly to express his irritation that Gordon and Ka'aihue are still in Omaha. He basically argues that if these two do still have something to learn about their swings, they wont ever learn against the pitchers they are currently dominating.

They really need to make room for Gordon and Kila and get them up asap. I think it's a waste at this point, they will continue to shred that pitching

Royals_Report

#Royals recall OF Rick Ankiel from rehab assignment at Class AAA Omaha after problems resurface in his strained right quadriceps muscle.

Per bob dutton twitter


What a dogshit signing

#Royals put LHP prospect Mike Montgomery back on DL at Class AA Northwest Arkansas following a recurrence of elbow soreness. about 5 hours ago via web

Not good, let the kid rest as long as possible

Only the Royals.... :facepalm:

Yeah, that's why Rany isn't a GM. I don't know about Gordon, I hope he's turned the corner. I think Kila is ready though, time to find out what he's made of.

But, in the large scheme of things... it isn't going to hurt either one of these guys to wait a couple more weeks. Everybody always wants to rush. The smart play has to be running Guillen and some of these other guys out there and see if anyone bites. With our luck no one will and we'll keep playing them.

But until that happens, the correct move is to run out the veterans who are actually playing fairly decent and flip them for whatever we can get. Then actually give Gordon and Kila AB's everyday and not some platoon garbage. Kila really should be up now, but it's in the best interest of both him and Guillen to get AB's everyday.

I hear you about Guillen and the vets. I'm impatient but we definetly need to get them for whatever. Guillen will probably keep playing RF as a showcase anyway. I hope they get Pods out of here as well and Willie and whoever else that is real dead weight to the team. Ankiel looks like he'll be here the rest of the year on the DL

Rick Ankiel might succeed Coco Crisp as the recipient of the Zach Thomas Award. It's a trophy with an exercise bike and a phrase that says:

"You were going to be great for us. Well, bye."

Ah, yes, "elbow soreness." Also known as the familiar prelude to Tommy John's.

And the fact that Kila and Gordon aren't up now is stupid. I could care less about what little value Guillen and Pods might possess, as it would be in the best interest of the organization, long-term, to...wait for it...have the best players, who happen to be the younger players, actually, you know, playing.

If this was April it'd be different. We're a week away from trade season kicking in, with a guy who at least looks like he could hit 30 HR and another that could steal 50 bases. You aren't getting Kyle Drabek but at least try to get something. Otherwise that would be just giving up, I hate that.

But I don't think making them wait a couple more weeks is going to hurt anything. Although Kila should be up. Gordon maybe... but he really wasn't more productive than Pods and he's still playing a new position. I'm willing to have a bit of patience with Gordon... if he comes up and plays like he did before... that might be game over for him in KC.

But it's the same never ending cycle of amnesia... most people that have been around know how that drove me nuts going back to Baird. Bring up the young guys.. oh man they aren't ready, they need to go down. They go down, in a couple weeks get on a hot streak... bring them back up! Play the young guys, they're the future! The list of prospects the Royals haven't flubbed around with is embarrassingly small.

Regarding Rany, you might want to re-read his article, particularly the "I hope we are trying to trade Guillen and Podsednik" part. He said if they are not playing August 1, then our front office is screwed up.

Even given that though, I simply do not agree at all with even that point. I believe you reach a point where it gets utterly silly. 1.100-1.200 OPS in a lot of AB is that point, where you pretty much have to play or trade them right now. The fact that Gordon and Kila could be in Omaha instead of here another 4-5 weeks is highly difficult to defend. These aren't marginal guys who are maybe hopefully getting close. They are, right now, arguably 2 of the best baseball players in the entire minor league systems of all 30 MLB clubs. There is not a very good reason for them to keep playing in Omaha, at all.

edit: as far as "rushing" them, they are 26. In Kila's case, he is being held back, not rushed. He should have been up here all of last year. Gordon... who knows. It's not a fluke small sample size with him though, perhaps he figured something out this year and wasn't given much of a chance this season at all before being banished up north.

26 years old.

Gordon was given a tiny 31 AB in KC, just 12 games. He's had 184 AB over 50 games in AAA to prove to all of us that we made a hilarious mistake by over-reacting to a cold start. This team isn't winning anything anyway, he can learn left field in KC.

http://www.baseballdecuba.com/newsContainer.asp?id=2217

Arguelles may be a bust?

If either of these vets is moved in a week, I'll be dead wrong. But if we're waiting until the deadline, we're talking about 6 weeks and over 100 potential ABs. That experience would far outweigh any Kyle Davies (if we're lucky) that we'll get in return.

Lets hope this adjustment gets him back on track, maybe failure has hit him and he finally listened.

http://www.omaha.com/article/2010061...mean-promotion

Snippets i got from another board from the article...

Maybe this was good for Alex all along. He skipped AAA. Struggled a bit at the pro level. I think this well help him get his confidence back. There is no doubting Alex's talent. He may have just developed bad habits by getting frustrated at the plate in the pros

He wouldn't listen to George Brett, but george said "how do you change a guy thats never failed?"

I just hope he can be a solid piece, he has more talent than most our roster.

Yeah, but George Brett is a piece of shit. Just ask anybody who has met the guy. He probably didn't like the guy, didn't want to listen to him.

http://twitter.com/ESPN_MLBDRAFT

"Heard Royals have agreed to terms with Christian Colon for somewhere around $2.8 million. He'll report to high-A in about ten days."



If true, they prolly won't announce it until they get back home so Colon can take BP in front of the home crowd.

w00t.

Hope to see him in '11.

****. Yes.

I love the idea of Colon and Hosmer playing and advancing together.

Yep. Although it's perfectly reasonable to expect to see the former in '11, while the latter should be up in '12.

True enough.

everytime i see this thread bumped I hope it is for some roster move this year. guillen dumped. Kila called up ugh.

another leadoff walk.....come the **** on already, Bannister

And Guillen shoots his ass at the plate!!!!

Lets revisit that play.....Guillen got the call..runner looked safe

But his PITCH/fx system is working!! ROFL

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=229813

Pete - this is not the game thread.

**** that shit! He was safe!

http://www.kfsm.com/sports/kfsm-spor...,5739521.story

Mous got ejected yesterday, awesome! video on link

i love the ump acting as if mous bumped him lmao

KOMU has confirmed that the umpire watched both time slots of the World Cup earlier in the day.

Royals Pushing To Trade Jose Guillen
from mlbtraderumors.com
By Tim Dierkes [June 28, 2010 at 1:56pm CST]

The Royals are "really pushing to move Jose Guillen," tweets ESPN's Buster Olney, and "continue to tell teams they will eat a lot of dollars." Guillen, the team's designated hitter, has $6.39MM remaining on his contract.

The 34-year-old Guillen sports a .282/.344/.470 line on the season, with strong April and June work sandwiching a rough May. Aside from his time at DH, he's tallied 103 innings in right field.

Which contenders could use a potential offensive boost? An American League club makes the most sense. The White Sox and Rays don't have much at DH. The Yankees are another consideration. The Padres and Giants could be suitors, if they'd dare let Guillen play the outfield full-time again.

Oh sweet, Dominican, yayo snorting, baby jesus, please make this happen.

Nice...he should move to someone. At least his trade value is fairly high right now since hes hitting pretty good.

I don't care if they eat all of it, get what you can out of him before the inevetible 2 month long slump comes.

We probably won't get much but this is a main step in getting gordon and kila up and playing the rest of the year.

During the Nationals telecast on espn they are talking about how good atl did that first inning to hit the ball hard against Strasburg. Boone saying they were aggresive and intelligent, Sutcliff then says 'i think they saw the success kc had with the 9 hits and getting the win, and if he wont adjust they'll keep going that route".

kinda cool

Guillen really has played better than I thought he could this year. He's tradeable for somebody desperate for some offense. He's done his part to get a trade and maybe someone will be dumb enough to give me a decent contract next year.

So your telling me that ESPN does know the royals exists, huh who would have knew?

They're also on sunday night baseball this week to against the Angels.

Yeah I don't even remember the last time we were the Sunday night game on ESPN. It might have been a decade ago.

Why?

Good point.

They want to see if Billy sets the record for DP's he should be tied by sunday