After watching every Mizzou game... I don't believe either.

I do.

Missouri's offense is incredibly efficient. It can be contained by long teams with speed, but there aren't a lot of teams out there that have that.

MU's offense may not match up well against a team like North Carolina or Syracuse, but against 90% of the teams in the nation, that offense is absolutely going to hum. There are just too many guys that can score and pass.

And like I said, defensively I'm just losing quite a bit of confidence in them. Their defense started to slip about 6 weeks ago and it's just been looking progressively worse. Even if I don't see them as being 1 and 57, I absolutely see them as being top 10 and outside the top 50 respectively.

It's not been a very good defensive team for some time now.

Good win.. I was thinking this was a slip game after the KU win.. Way to go on the road and pull out a victory..

And really, that's all that matters. These guys swept KSU, who thumped us at their place. They were ready to play... and we survived it and got a win. Job well done. 22-2

I think the defense is slipping because they're playing more conference teams.

Conference teams, in addition to being more talented, also scout Missouri much harder than say, Villanova or California, are able to. They dedicate a coach to scout them, and there is more tape to scout. That scouting plays a big factor.

Another part of the problem is that, because Missouri is so undersized, it has to double in the post in a lot of situations it normally would not. Teams that pass properly out of those double-teams are going to be able to find an open shot somewhere on the floor.

I also think the defense at the point (from Pressey) has not been quite as good or consistent as it was earlier. He seems to be reaching more and moving his feet less, which obviously is not a good combo. Also, because of his size deficiency, Phil is going to have some physical problems keeping guys contained. Basically, if a guy can get a half-step in one direction on Pressey, he has a really tough time recovering. He needs to focus more on staying in front.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=320370201

We attempted 21 (!!) 3-pointers, hitting 33%. All this while Ratliffe was 6 for 6 inside. We need to be smarter.

I agree. And late in the game we need to pass the ball around some more instead of dribbling near half court. We need to execute better and get some baskets in those situations. Our offense is good enough to rotate the ball around, kill some clock, and still get a good quality shot in those situations.

Was too busy to get into any of the MU-KU poop throwing yesterday so, I thought I would stop by and give a tip of the cap from a KU fan. Great game Saturday. Other than the final score It was about as good of a game as I have seen in a very long time. Likewise any road game in conference other than TT is a good win. So good win last night against an OU team that just wouldn’t go away. Again congrats and I am looking forward to the Rematch in Lawrence and hopefully one more time in the Big 12 tournament.

You're just conditioned to be nice because your wife is an MU fan. :p

Dumb question: if we beat KU in Lawrence but still finish with the same conference record, would we get the regular season title due to the sweep?
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Yes, MU would own the tiebreaker with the head to head wins.

Both teams get a share of the title in that situation, by the way. MU would simply be the #1 seed in the B12 tournament due to the tiebreaker.

Oh believe you me, kiddos - KU would absolutely claim a share of the IIX title, even if MU beat them twice.

Gotta keep that streak intact.

Does anyone dare to challenge KCC's contention here?
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They already have done that. A couple of years they split with Texas for the regular season title, and I think at least one of those times Texas was the #1 seed in the tourney.

But ku does not care about regular season titles. They mean nothing in their trophy case.

It's not about "claiming" anything. They'd get a share. Texas beat KU in the 2008 NC year in the one reg. season game they played and they both shared the title (with Texas getting the #1 seed in the B12 tournament).

Whatever. The Chiefs tied with Seattle for the best record in the AFC west back in Gunther's first year as coach. Seattle won the tie breaker and went to the playoffs. I don't know any Chiefs fans that claim a "share" of the AFC West title that year.


Besides, according to Wickedson, regular season titles don't mean anything. Yall don't have enough room in your trophy case for one anyways, so I would not worry about it.

I'm just telling you guys the way it works, not making a value judgment about it.

League dominance always means something.

Hey, I would be proud of winning/sharing that many titles in a row. You should be. Was just pointing out that Wickedson believes ku is above all that, that they only care about final four's and national championships.

Here's an idea... when someone disagrees with what one rival fan says, instead of the passive aggressive bullshit and blanket statements and letting them live under your skin, why not just laugh at them and move on?

Some of you guys create so much drama, I feel like I should be posting from a high school cafeteria.

I'm amazed at how much high school is actually like real life work and online environments.

Ya got that right. I can live with the Loss on Sat because she knows you guys still have to come to Lawrence but, great jebus if we don't win that one I will have to move out of the country.

A lot of people never leave... and I've had some interesting conversations about it.

I haven't noticed it at my past few jobs, but I know it's out there.... one reason I listen to my iPod all day.

I like working in a small office, and the age difference helps. Three attorneys old enough to be my dad, and then the paralegal and I are late and mid thirties respectively.

I'd be surprised if you felt like it was high school... I guess there's a better chance of gossip in a small office, but I wouldn't expect much of it in a law office. I hear about office drama from female friends, but the first few that come to mind work in an area with more females than males, so it's not that unexpected (and it used to be unexpected here, on a male dominated board, but like I said, a whole lot of people never leave...).

Nice article from PowerMizzou:

From Regional to National

http://missouri.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1328630

It's a phrase that makes some sports writers cringe, but former Missouri football players see it everywhere they go.

Weatherspoon said the Mizzou Brand has more of a presence in Georgia.
Over the past year, athletic director Mike Alden has made a point to emphasize the "Mizzou Brand." Just Sunday, in a letter to fans following Missouri's 74-71 win over to Kansas, Alden talked about the brand in relation to the national exposure Missouri received over the past week:

"In each of these examples, we have an opportunity to present our 'brand'," Alden wrote. "Not just the black and gold, but those characteristics of Mizzou that make us such a special community."

Whether you see that turn-of-phrase as marketing talk or not, it hasn't gone unnoticed by current NFL Tigers. On Saturday, nine former Missouri football players returned to Columbia to be honored at halftime. All nine players left Columbia between 2008 and 2010, and were key members during the most successful run in Missouri football history.

One such player is current Atlanta Falcons' linebacker Sean Weatherspoon. After living in Georgia for the past two years, Weatherspoon said Missouri's national recognition is obvious.

"That's what we're really looking for at Mizzou," Weatherspoon said. "You've gotta get it out there. We've been regional, but it's time for the whole country to know about Mizzou. You can definitely sense it, because obviously the basketball team's been doing great, the football team's been doing great. There's a lot of great things goung on around here, and we're going to keep it that way."

Missouri has had plenty of opportunities to make waves on a national scale over the past six months. First, there was the move to the SEC that dominated headlines. Then, it was the signing of the nation's top football recruit, Dorial Green-Beckham. And, in front of a national television audience, Missouri's thrilling win over Kansas kept the Tigers in the national conversation.

Despite the rise of the "Mizzou Brand" from regional to national, Weatherspoon said there's no danger of Missouri getting too big for its britches.

"It doesn't feel any different at all (to come back)," Weatherspoon said. "It's still family. There's still a lot of love in here, obviously, as you can see."

How's that working out for you?

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English and Ratliffe after Pledger missed the shot to tie last night. Class.

Thats only because they didn't see him pose after shooting it. He obviously thought it was good.

I thought it was good too. It looked good when they showed the back view, just caught to much front rim.

Friggin' Baylor. They really are as soft as advertised. We'd better beat them Saturday. Scarey on paper, but it seems like if you kick 'em in the teeth they'll just roll over. I hope the crowd is jacked... it's a HUGE game. Gotta keep pace.

GottliebShow Doug Gottlieb
Baylor is easily the best AAU team in college hoops #respect #sarcasm

cdotharrison Carrington Harrison
Think if Mike Anderson had actually tried to recruit Otto Porter.

:grr:

Wish KU had gotten him. He's great. They're playing scrubs like Wesley in the spot that he would have played in.

Porter missed a FT at the end of regulation that would have given them the win over Syracuse. Syracuse won in OT.

Still better than Wesley.

Anderson really screwed the Tigers in recruiting this year.

He could have had Bradley Beal, McLemore, Porter and Tony Mitchell as a sophmore.

Mitchell wasn't his fault, but yeah. **** that guy. Arkansas is 0 for the season on the road, and they're down 25 at Georgia 5 minutes into the second half.

Yep, I think Mizzou needs to start fast. If Baylor gets down early, in a hostile arena with a stoked crowd, I think they will fold up pretty fast.

Still not going to be an easy game, though.

Baylor beats up on inferior teams but can't beat the really good teams. It's just what they do.

I'll repeat what an MU fan said in the KU thread tonight... Baylor is too thuggish and stupid to beat (KU) MU. I expect you guys to roll over them.

Considering MU beat them on the road, I would expect them to do it at home. They're just better. Baylor's obviously still talented enough to beat anybody, though...it will just take a lot of effort.

Still holds true.

Perry Jones wasn't even trying to get his tonight...he was just floating around. It's true that they don't really play like an effective team.

The biggest concern is them actually feeling some urgency, a sense of desperation, and playing hard for 40 minutes for once. Sounds unlikely, but it could happen....lol

We do know that whether Mizzou plays well or not... they'll fight their asses off.

Jones is the opposite. He just quits.

Exactly.

YahooForde Pat Forde
Arkansas sent message to Selection Committee tonight: Nevermind. We'll take our NIT bid and like it.

Englishscope24 Kim English
"You don't accept in a win, what you would not tolerate in a loss". This approach has been huge for us this year. #Accountability.

Sorry for all the twitter stuff, but this one was news to me.... Cool.

Englishscope24 Kim English
Congrats to @DeMarreCarroll1 for inking deal with the Utah #Jazz

16-1 at home. 0-7 on the road.

Englishscope24 Kim English
Frank Haith is our coach. May not be responsible for the "players" you see on the court. But he IS the reason for the "PRODUCT" on the court

Englishscope24 Kim English
No other coach could've done a better job with this group of guys this season. System, philosophy, personality all were a perfect fit!

Englishscope24 Kim English
Please don't get it twisted whose "players" we are. We are Frank Haith's "Players"!!!

Ya know you could feel this kind of joy and hope every year if you'd just switch over to....... nah forget it.

:p


/end trolling

Heheh... simply not an option.

What happened to ARK tonight? Who did they lose too?

Georgia 81-59

(Georgia's now 11-12 2-7 in the SEC)

Ouch. Oh well, couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of guys!

Which is part of why I can respect you. Hate my team all you want but be true to yours.

Yeah, I really liked Mike Anderson. For a while there, I was all in... but that last season he was here was just a mess. I'm glad he's gone, and look forward to playing his teams.

It's nice to see Mizzou run an actual offense.

Between him and the DGB thing, we've got some seeds planted for a rivalry.

That's just how it should be. For me, my favorite teams (Chiefs, Mizzou, Royals) are just like family. Sometimes they piss me off, but I still love 'em. There is no quitting, or switching teams.

Exactly. I have no choice in the matter. My teams are all part of who I am. If all 3 went winless I'd look forward to the next season.

I liked Anderson too. That is probably why I hate him now. He brought Mizzou back from the cluster **** that was Quin Snyder, and then he ups and leaves. I understand him leaving for the Arkansas job, but he left the cupboard completely bare when he did, and that pissed me off more than anything. The way he left was completely unprofessional.

The fact that the team is so much better under a new coach (who nobody wanted) just makes it easier to like the fact that he's gone.

Those tweets from English say a LOT. Under Haith, he's a different player... and this is a different team. It just lends a ton of credence to the idea that Mike Anderson knew what he was going to do (Arkansas) and wasn't all that into it.

So is Haith the man to keep MU at this level? I know nothing about his recruiting ability but this season sure isn't going to hurt him.

Coming in everybody hated the hire because they thought he couldn't coach. (Not an X's and O's guy) Supposedly his strength was recruiting. And I can see why... he's a charismatic dude.

Yeah, I think he knew the Arkansas job was going to be open before the season even started. It is pretty obvious he gave up on Mizzou early, given how his recruiting dropped off last season.

In the end though, him leaving might turn out to be best thing to happen for Mizzou basketball in a long, long, time.

He's shocked everyone by coaching a short, thin Mizzou team to where they are now.

The one thing he had on his side was experience. This is an experienced roster that's been through some battles.

haithers gonna haith.

I think the assistant coaches that Haith brought in didn't hurt either and deserve some credit. So far so good.

The entire coaching staff deserves credit, to be sure. Haith chose his assistant coaches well.

He has taken what strength MU had and maxed it out, quick talented kids and taught them not to beat themselves with turnovers. Maximizing their processions and making FT's, contesting each shot and getting to as many loose balls as possible.

MU does all the little things well, probably better than anybody in the country since they are so short on size.

This makes MU capable of beating anybody, anyplace at anytime.

Big game for the Tigers tomorrow.


I figure it's close for a while, but Mizzou turns Baylor over and they quit.

holy ****, a non-biased and level-headed post by royII! shit, the mayans were right :sulk:

That wasn't Roy, it was Rich Scanlon accidently logged on to Roy's account :p

How are you guys feeling about the game tomorrow?

Feel pretty good, but it still will be a tough game. I think the crowd will be fired up, and Mizzou will use that advantage early on in the game. I am hoping that when Mizzou pounces on Baylor early, that the Bears will fold and give up.

Game of the Year for Mizzou tomorrow. Of course, every game is game of the year when you are neck and neck down the stretch for a conference title.

I don't see the Paige being like it was last weekend, but it might not ever be at that level again.

I am anxious to see how Baylor comes out. If they play like they did in the second half Wed. I'd look for MU to have a fairly easy win.

I didn't watch the game in Waco but it seemed from what I heard that MU controlled the game. I think this is a must win for MU, being at home.

"The Paige" :grr:

Mizzou was up by 8-10 throughout most of the second half. It was a lot like KU @ Mizzou, other than the fact that Mizzou kept a big enough cushion to make Bayor's last second 3 harmless.

Honestly, I'm a little nervous about this game, but I like this team... and I love them at home. We'll see how it goes.

We do need the crowd to be a factor.

I think it will be a close game for a while. If baylor plays soft, which they normally do, MU should win.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Baylor come out strong tho.