This is throwing across your body, Einstein...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/denver-bro...-pulls-a-Favre

Both Favre and Manning stopped their momentum to hit someone in the middle who was going the opposite way. McCluster was running with Smith with wide open field in front of him. All Smith had to do was flip it out in front of McCluster and he would not have been throwing across his body.

I didn't say anything about throwing across his body. Rolling to the right (without planting, because face it if he plants he gets blasted) wouldn't have had anything on it. That db was waiting for that.

Half true.... It wouldn't have been throwing across his body as I mentioned earlier, but it sure as heck would not be "just flip it out" either.

I don't believe that.
He has the arm to make that throw.
He lacks the confidence.

That goes to mindset.

That can be changed.

Throwing across your body is throwing the opposite way from which you are running, which is exactly what would have happened here.

... You're an idiot. Get back to me when you understand the concept of leading your target.

Like I said...a floater. I was addressing some of the other posts on the throwing across his body. I don't think we're spcifically in disagreement. Alex played it right in my mind.

There is truth to this. He doesn't have an elite arm to feel great about throwing that particular pass... certainly not when he doesn't need to. So, he threw it away, and still did what needed to be done for a Chiefs TD.

Smith just needed a system and a coach that believed in him. Now he has both. Finishing in the top five QBS this year isn't out of the question.

In terms of rating. Yes. Touchdowns? No.

Yes. He's our guy now, don't be jealous.

I understand leading targets get back to me when you understand the concept of passing lanes then we'll talk

Um, I don't think you understand the whole "throwing across your body" thing.


Had r thrown it to dexter it wouldn't have been throwing across his body, they're both going the same direction

Now he doesn't have a passing lane to make that throw? On to the next bullshit...

nice!

OMG

LMAO

Rolling right throwing back left against the field= throwing across your body.


This was basically the type of route you run from te slot on a sprint out against a blitz.

http://gifsection.com/wp-content/upl...d2-1-12-13.gif

I'm good.

True enough. Kaep stays hard working, and has the talent to be amazing.

So, is anybody counting the Alexcuses? Are we up to 8 or 9 yet?

I was actually pissed when they drafted him.

Thought it was a complete reach for a guy that played in a "gimmick" offense.

That's what I love about pro football, especially QB.

You never know who's going to be a beast at the pro-level. In college, you can hide your bad players. Not in the L though!

The talent is unquestioned. Much higher ceiling than Alex Smith. matter of fact, he has already surpassed Alexs ceiling. 10 games.

The ironic thing is.....No one was happy with Harbaugh at the time. No one was happy with the 49ers draft at that time at all. No one was happy that Jim was bringing back Alex, no one knew, nor wanted Aldon Smith, and people didn't want Kaep. How things have changed.

Watch what happens when everything Kaep touches doesn't turn to gold. I have already seen it on the SF boards.

"the OL couldn't sustain his block!"
"Kaep's inexperienced!"
"that pass could have been caught!"
"not his fault he fumbled the snap, the center screwed up"
"it's his parent's fault that his hands are smaller than Alex's!"


Seen it all already.

:spock: not accurate.

Now he's just got to play smart and not try to be Superman.

agree on the ceiling and natural talent... I think Alex is superior on reading defenses.. 10 games isn't enough for me to say he is currently the better QB

My favorite already.......

"Crabtree was being INTERFERED WITH.'

Even though the ball was 8 yards out of bounds and in no way shape or form catchable.

But what if the opposite happens?

Yea that was NOT a good throw.

Though you wee a Browns fan.

The fact that it's even comparable between a 8 year vet and guy with less than 16 games is good enough for me.

he is not going to fail. His drive, talent and work ethic is too strong. No matter how much I like Alex Smith over him. He has a desire, and all the physical tools to be one of the all time greats.

And a work ethic to boot......

well no QB is flawless on every play.. the plays where he struggles? That will be the fault of everyone else... because no way could Jesus struggle!!! :)

They come from different worlds. Kaep with the silver spoon inserted onto his tongue after the draft... Alex with a baton inserted up his ass after the draft.

But Jesus did struggle. And he knew he was going to struggle. Yet he went through it anyway.

Praise Kaepernick!

He's the anti bandwagon fan. The 49ers got too good so he followed their shitty QB to a shitty team and claimed another shitty team from Ohio. Browns and Chiefs... shouldn't have to change teams for a while.

Why would anybody on a KC CHIEF's forum give a crap what is being said on SF boards?

Buy a clue from Vanna. The Chief's fans don't want you discussing SF boards or what we say about Kaepernick on SF boards.

You lose credibility with each post. So if Bray their to Draughn with a guy chose to him, its a first down, goal to go. If it's Alex, and 50 it's further away, he's dead to rights.

Since when do I care what people want? You don't have to push for brownie points with Chiefs fans, hahaha. I doubt I started this particular SF discussion anyway, but too lazy to go back and check.

Feel free to **** off.

Being thrust into the middle of a super bowl run is tough. Probably the MOST difficult situation a young quarterback can step into.

The expectations were no where near the same.

When we drafted Alex it was, "Ok we're not where we wanna be, let's draft a piece to get us back into contention."

That was the thinking, but obviously (for WHATEVER REASON) that didn't happen.

When Kaep came in? Get to the Super Bowl.

That was it. There were no Super Bowl Expectations Alex's first year. We won 2 games the year before.

Kaepernick was under a lot of pressure too. So while I agree that Kaep had a steadier organization, because of that there was more pressure to win immediately. Like, he literally had to make plays from the second he stepped on the field.

If McCluster was his first read, you're probably right. But at the back of his drop, his eyes may not have been focused on McCluster. And as you noted, even if they were, he'd have gotten Dexter absolutely demolished.

But you're presuming that McCluster was his first read. If he wasn't, then he wouldn't have been looking that way at the top of his drop. At that point we get back to him really only having that narrow window when the GIF pauses that I think throwing that ball is a good idea.

EDIT: Boy, as I watch the GIF, either Smith is damn clever with his eyes or McCluster wasn't his first read. He looks to be the third option in this play, to be honest. I don't think Smith did anything wrong by not firing that in right at the top of his drop - McCluster doesn't appear to have been his first read so expecting him to hit him right as he gets to the top of his drop ignores those progressionsn.

;)

Both under pressure... one 20 year old QB with a completely shit team around him and a revolving door at OC... one 24 year old QB with a completely stacked team around him and years to learn the same system.

Hmmm.....

NFL stands for "Not Fair League"

Come on. CK sat behind Alex for a season and a half, on an elite team, with probably the best HC in the NFL.

Alex was thrown to the wolves his rookie season on a shit team.

Which situation would you choose?

Doesn't matter because Alex does not even have the athletic ability to even hold Kaep's jock.

No, he does not.

He sounds like a QB we got rid of 20 years ago in Steve DeBerg.

Matt Cassel's problem wasn't an unwillingness to throw the football, it was an inability to throw the football. Even when he let it go, the damn thing missed its mark by several yards.

I might take the #1 overall pick compensation and take the abuse for a few years. Then bail out and buy an island! :)

few QBs do... but matching up the brain to the athleticism is the real trick.

Seems Kaepernick is really struggling, right?

I don't know why we keep expecting Hudson to get better than that. Hudson's never been a good center.

We keep talking about this guy like he's going to be great, but when Ryan Lilja slides over and is a massive improvement on you during your 2nd season in the NFL, you're not off to a great start.

I just don't see it in Hudson. He gets abused entirely too often and there's nothing that will destroy a play like interior pressure.

Says the guy who repeatedly takes stuff from the Chiefs board back to the 49ers board. you have, absolutely no room to talk.

No, he is doing just fine. Sucks that he choked away the SB comeback in the end though. He should be really good, but it is yet to be seen how well he can diagnose defenses... or if he can keep fame from turning him into a prick or convict.

Do you buy clues from vanna or just vowels?

I thought they just gave you clues.

We are being overrun by these trolls. This is unbearable. Only D.C. and Media is safe now.

My two concerns with him when he took over were that he wasn't as good at the line of scrimmage as Alex, he did get better as the season went on, but that will prolly be the one area at least for a year or so that Alex Smith will be ahead of him, and two his touch throws.

That's what I will be looking for this year if he is going to take that next step....

Pretty sure he shredded the Pats in New England for 4 TD passes.

... and I thin he will. I am expecting more turnovers for sure (small hands/fumbles and lasers that he thinks will slice through but don't), but he and his running will create that backyard balling NFL explosion that this generation of kiddies cream themselves over. Will he be clutch when it most counts? eh.. maybe.

29th ranked pass defense in the league? well.. bravo, Kaep!

yeah bro, that's a pretty bad example. Considering the next week he played against a great defense and looked horrible while getting Manningham knocked out for the season, and Davis knocked out for the game.

I know that the schedule did us no favors, and that played a part, but that too is the difference in defenses.

Uh...what?

I said I'd have liked to have seen Smith try to make a throw here.

But just like I said in the Bray post - any time a QB is trying to throw off his back leg, it's an extremely difficult throw and the decision-making has to be judged accordingly.

And as to the respective LBs - at the moment McCluster made his cut (which was the discussion I was having with the grownup in the room), 50 was driving forward and in front of the route of the crossing WR; he was two strides to impact. Shit, he's looking right at McCluster as McCluster starts his break. If the LB drives on the ball, he probably bats it away. If he drives on McCluster, he absolutely destroys him. Do you deny for a second that 50 would've absolutely butt-****ed McCluster there had McCluster been the #1 option and the ball released at the top of the drop?

In the Bray clip, the LBs momentum had taken him the other direction because he followed the first guy out of the backfield, IIRC. He was a full 5 yards behind Draughn and even with him, not 1 yard behind him and facing him.

The two aren't even remotely comparable situations and your point is ancillary at best.

As to credibility - sweetheart, you're allowing Goatse to be your pied piper. I'll worry about your barometer of my credibility when you follow someone that actually has some.

Aturnis, just a quick primer on 'credibility'.

It's your position that McCluster's situation w/r/t #50 at the moment Smith reaches the top of his drop in this clip:

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/wtfalex.gif

Is remotely comparable to Draughn's situation w/r/t #53 at the moment Draught turns for the ball in this clip:

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/fit.gif

Really? That's the argument you want to have when discussing one's credibility? That the play where a guy is literally staring at someone running right towards him is similar to the one where he's picking up a 2nd player that's in front of him with the far side of the field to work with.

I'd suggest you work on your spatial awareness a bit there, champ.

Bray treats check downs as sacrilege.

First you said he can't read a defense.

Then I give you an example and you say they weren't good enough.

Seattle beat everybody at home last year. I had that as an L on the schedule with Alex at the start of the year, let alone Kaep.

Again look at where the bar is now.

We've gone from "He can't read a defense" to "He didn't beat the Seahawks and Pats on the road in back-to-back weeks in his first handful of starts."

Vernon got himself knocked out. There was absolutely no reason to jump for that ball. It was a bad game. He played badly.

I don't think he was exposed in any way though.

Seriously, keep engaging the trolls and you'll end up amongst them. It's easy to just block about 3/4 of the Niners fans on here because all they want to do is pimp Kaepernick and talk about some other message board. I don't give a **** about 9ers boards and fully recognize that Keapernick is a better QB to have then Smith. Moving on.

I've tried to leave a couple of you off the list because you seem to be actively engaged in football discussion. You keep doing this shit and you'll force myself (and others) to engage in a scorched earth policy with you damn 49er fans.

Seriously - most of you guys suck. Badly.

WAIT JUST A GOSH DARN MINUTE NOW. I hope you NEVER referenced AS's performance against the Saints because I know for a freaking fact that defense had the worst statistical year in NFL history. So YOU BETTER SHUT YOUR SHIZ NOW.

Fair enough. Done and done.

Fine by me. Kaepernick is just really crazy good.

Better? :)

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lol @ you

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Yeah, progression wise I have no idea. It looks as if Fasano is running a flag route and Charles is running some kind of underneath route. I wouldn't be shocked if Fasano weren't the 1st read there.


However, just speaking to the dexter part of it, he's "NFL" open there with a well timed throw. He gets hit, but as we all know, things get really tight down on that part of the field so your going to have to just take the hit most likely if that's where you are gonna throw it

Could you imagine if it were possible for a week thrown pass to be intercepted there?

There is ZERO chance for #50 to intercept the ball if Alex leads Mccluster. Zero. As for the db I'm the top right of the gif, he is never within 5 yards of McCluster. He won't get there.

Nah I didn't want you to praise Kaepernick, I just don't want there to be double standards because you like a player better than another. So I'm saying don't reference any games where AS played well if the opposing team defense was in the bottom 12 in the league in pass defense since you believe that's significant. Don't change your stance to make Alex look good. Stick to your guns but do it on both sides.

I see you have a new subpar QB to champion. Awesome.

Ultimately I think I agree - if McClusters his first read there, the ball has to come out right at the break. Sorry Dex - dem's the breaks, kid; it's the NFL. That said, if you're going to throw a ball into that maelstrom that close to end-zone, you have to realize that if he gets hit hard enough or the defender is a half a heartbeat faster than you expected, that becomes a jump ball with a bunch of defenders nearby.

In the end, I think throw or hold, either argument is defensible even if McCluster is the first read. 50 clearly keyed on him and a smart QB doesn't go full Cassel there and get his WR murdered unless we're talking game on the line time. Even in a regular season game, is it really a good idea to unload that ball on first down in the first quarter? Man - I don't think it's that clear cut. The ball would've had to come in hot because of the small window and McCluster's not exactly known for taking hits well or holding onto the ball.

After he clears 50's outside shoulder and he's in pursuit, I think you have a legit beef; Smith probably needs to have the stones to try that flip (and no, it wouldn't be across his body - he'd have to lead McCluster). But right at the break? There's a hell of a lot of harm that could come from that and it's just as likely as the good, IMO. I don't think you can criticize him too harshly for not taking that shot there.

I've told the story a few times about the guy I talked to that knew Donald Washington and listened to him tell stories about Bowe. Bowe was done giving himself up for Matt Cassel. He was getting hung out to dry and it was effecting his effort. Winning games often goes beyond an individual play and if Smith gets Dexter detonated a few times, that's the kind of thing that can linger well beyond a single drive. Like I said, if it's the game on the line you throw it anyway, but a good QB and good team leader also knows when discretion is the better part of valor.

says the jagoff troll

Probably so. If we're talking 4 quarter in December with the broncos in town and were trailing, yeah, you make that throw. In this situation, I don't mind it. I think the rollout is actually a pretty basic throw that a qb of smiths caliber should make 9 times out of 10.

There also could be a beef with Dexter there in that he could have sat his route down harder instead of squaring in towards 50 in that situation but that could lead to a bevy of other problems

This is why they moved on from Alex.

They knew he could never provide those kinds of performances.

Agreed. Alex hates any throw with risk.