Facts that have been cherry-picked by you.

LMAO

His QBR was best in the league last year and his record was 6-2, so he must be Matt Cassel.

By throwing for all of 200 yards.

He's lucky has has that defense and running game.

I did not compare the 2 at all.

There were what 5 posts complaining about what a big deal sacks are and how thats is one of the reasons why AS sucks so hard.

Ok, so point one sacks not an issue.

Next issue.

No, sacks are definitely a ****ing issue.

Why would anyone debating QBs choose to ignore this?

There is only one answer. Can you guess?

Homer? No. I couldn't care less if we were discussing the starting QB of the Arizona Cardinals.

You have continually misrepresented stats while conveniently avoid reporting others from your precious PFF because it doesn't fit your false narrative.

With Geno Smith failing like a lead brick I the draft, you've had no other way to call attention to yourself, so you've created this nonsensical false narrative about Alex Smith.

But hey, at least we're discussing football, so I'll give you credit in that regard.

The 49ers offense scored 30 points that game. And if I'm not mistaken, we have a pretty damn good running game here.

Please name Smith's wide receivers in San Fran. Then name the wide receivers in Green Bay and tell me they're equal.

Thanks in advance.

When do sacks stop becoming an issue?

Matt Cassel didn't even get a chance to play until 2008 and had as good of a year as Alex ever has.

Eerily similar.

Almost like it's fate.

When you have the ability to carry your team, not need your team to carry you.

The difference is that Matt Cassel had one good season in KC and immediately descended into a downward spiral, never to recover.

Once Alex Smith had a decent line, average to above average play calling and coaching, his game has only ascended.

"Prodded by a cattle prod, Alex Smith has decided to take it up the ass from opposing defenses in 2013"!

When Cassel and Alex had good teams around them, they won games.

When they didn't, they did not.

Very similar in that regard.

The facts are the facts, Dane-o.

When we lose games this year because Alex:

1. Cannot throw the ball down the field.

2. Sucks on third down.

3. Takes too many sacks.

I am going to throw it back in your ****ing face and laugh.

Please name the RB or TE in Green Bay

and then name the RB and TE in San Fran.

and tell me they're equal. Thanks

Every excuse you have used in regards to Alex Smith is the same EXACT shit that was said about Cassel when we traded for him.

It's really scary.

People will stroke off anything with a red helmet.

Again, this is a false narrative.

Matt Cassel had more offensive weapons in 2012 than Smith, yet he was awful. Actually, awful doesn't even begin to describe it.

In 2011, before the injury to Charles, the Chiefs were awful as well. The blame didn't lie with the loss of Moeaki, it was due to the fact that Cassel was a talentless hack.

49ers offensive line decent

laughs

that o-line is top 3 maybe even the best in the league. They have 3 first round picks and FOUR pro bowlers on that starting line. And they're decent. Right cause its the talent around Alex Smith's fault always and not his.

Our offensive line is ****ing terrible and inexperienced compared to theirs and if he took that many sacks behind that line, hes going to take a **** load behind the inexperienced line we put out there this year

That's because they don't have an ability level that can carry their respective team and will it to victory.

And yet that "talentless hack" was able to fool people in 2010. With less talent. The Chiefs literally had complete dogshit at WR that year beyond Bowe.

So it has been with Alex Smith.

He's fooled you.

Like how Cassel was exempt from his mistakes also

Number one, I'm not making excuses for anyone. I'm pointing out the glaring flaws in GoChiefs false narrative.

Number two, the situations are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

Different players, different coaches, different teams, different abilities.

There are no excuses.

You are guys are complaining about a guy who has yet to take a snap for the Chiefs.

Let him be a completely worthless QB then bitch all you want and run him outta town. That's fair. But damn let do dude play a down even if only in pre-season.

The fact is if you look at the last 3 years, AS has been a pretty damn serviceable QB in the NFL.

The Chiefs got the best available QB they could get, you may not like what the gave up for him. That does not mean that he can't be productive.

He hasn't fooled me. I know who he is as a player.

You don't. You make excuses for every positive attribute because it doesn't fit your false narrative.

Name the "excuses" I've used.

Thanks.

Which is pretty damning, because being serviceable at QB just keeps your team treading water.

If that was the case, how were the 49ers a few minutes from the Super Bowl in 2011? How were they 6-2 before he was injured in 2012?

Keep in mind, if they were 5-3 or worse, they would have never qualified for the playoffs, let alone the Super Bowl.

As opposed drowning like last year???

And actually is not damning at all. As long the QB doesn't lose the game.

I personally think the QB get far too much credit and far too much blame.

The rest of the team.

How were the Chiefs 10-6 in 2010?

The rest of the team.

How were the Chiefs 13-3 in 1995?

Not Steve Bono.

to getting his ass knocked out with a concussion

If this is the case I like our chances. We already have some strong talent on the team.

All depends on Dorset though. Can he build some more pieces in the next 2 years to put us around the 49ers level?

Love Matt Cassel.

Lame and uniformed answer.

His line
Play calling
Receivers

LMAO

You really don't understand this concept of average QBs being drug to good seasons by elite teams, huh?

You'd think Chiefs fans would be all too familiar with the concept by now but I guess some people just don't ****ing get it.

Those are not excuses.

Are you going to argue that he had even an adequate offensive line prior to 2011?

Are you going to argue that he's had a legitimate, consistent downfield threat?

Are you going to argue that the offensive play calling hasn't been questionable at times, especially in the Super Bowl with Kap?

If so, I'm all ears.

Furthermore, those ARE NOT excuses made for Cassel. Cassel had Welker and a very good Randy Moss. His offensive line gave up less than 20 sacks the year prior and the year following his departure. His offensive coordinator had been outstanding in 2007 and helped him to fabricate his numbers by putting him in the spread.

Alex Smith, despite the lack of a Wes Welker and young Randy Moss, put up the best QBR in the league last year. With no one other than a fat, slow and lazy Michael Crabtree, his team was one special teams fumble from the Super Bowl in 2011.

You guys are looking at this all wrong.

Clay is the biggest hypocrite in ChiefsPlanet's history.

The defensive side of the ball is a different thing entirely but I would say the following are facts about our offense.

-JC is a bigger playmaker than anyone Alex Smith has ever played with.
-Bowe is just as good as Crabtree. He's actually better at YAC, which is needed with this QB.
-Albert and Fisher combined will be better pass protectors than Staley and Davis combined.
-Andy Reid is every bit as good of a QB coach as Jim Harbaugh.

There really isn't that much of a difference in surrounding cast on the offensive side of the ball aside from Iupati and our TE's, who look to be pretty solid.

I just stick to the facts.

You don't ****ing get it.

Cassel had McDaniels, Belichick, Welker and a young Moss. His numbers were inflated and fabricated.

Smith had Crabtree and Davis. That's it. You bitch about his lack of downfield passing but fail to recognize that not only was there no one available to stretch the field, but that he wasn't ASKED to stretch the field because there was no one to catch the passes.

Again, FALSE NARRATIVE.

Just like the "fact" that Geno Smith was worthy of 1.1, if not a first rounder, and is a Franchise QB?

So are we to believe Alex Smith is going to be a "playmaker" for this team?

Judging by Dane's post Alex Smith took that 49ers team to the cusp of the Super Bowl before they ****ed up his greatness.

If Alex Smith has any success in KC, GoChiefs will move to the nearest apartment complex to his home in order to stalk him 24/7.

There were positives and negatives playing with a completely different roster.
I am refusing to do anything other than hope he becomes something/anything close to the player for us that Gannon was for the Raiders AND that Dorsey puts a premium on drafting his eventual replacement.
I will wait till at least week 8 to start sending banner funds though.

So, Kyle Williams didn't fumble, which immediately led to a Giants field goal and overtime?

Facts.

Meet your new friends!

http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/im...2011/04/30.jpg

I think it will take at least half a season for this new offense to gel, maybe a little longer. New staff, new QB, new receivers, new TE's, new line.

If it happens sooner, I'll be shocked and thrilled. But I don't expect it.

And Alex Smith wasn't 1 for 12 on third down before that?

Facts.

Alex Smith completed less than half his passes in that playoff game.

But don't blame him!

It wouldn't fit in with your "narrative."

Charles
Bowe
Baldwin
Fasano

Or

Gore
Crabtree
Moss
Davis

I don't think there is a huge difference between those two groups...but I do think our group is the overall better of the two.

I think once you add Kelce and Reid's scheme it overwhelmingly favors the Chiefs....

Me too.

Hypocrite.

That game didn't exist in a vacuum, as much as you wish it had in order to perpetuate your false narrative.

At what point do you begin questioning the play calling if you're 1-12 on third down? But I guess Roman was in no way responsible, right?

The Giants defense held Tom Brady to 14 points and harassed him in the Super Bowl. That defense was stellar and ultimately the reason they won the Super Bowl that year.

Kelce a guy who has done nothing as an NFL player yet..

how does he tip the ****ing scale over the 49ers having Vernon Davis, one of the best TEs and safety blankets in the NFL for Alex Smith his last 5 years

right.

Alex Smith has a HISTORY of being shitty prior to 2011.

Yeah, I think I know where I'm laying the blame for 1-12.

Charles is more talented, Crabtree has had four years to prove something and he's a second receiver on almost any other team. Hes not even close to Bowe.

Moss and Baldwin had similar stats and Davis had the same number of TD's and receptions.

I like the Chiefs personnel better as well.

Not sure I agree with that.

We have nothing at WR2 currently and apart from a solid player in Fasano, we have 2 unknowns at TE.

Gore is a top 5-7 back and Crabtree is no slouch (especially with Kaepernick as his QB)

Davis and Fasano had the same number of TD's and receptions in 2012.

Avery had 800 yards and 3 touchdowns last year.

I wouldn't call that "nothing".

And now you're reaching.

LMAO

Reid usually has his QBs well prepared and ready to go though.
I dont think it will be a finished product by then, but Charles will be Charles and if Smith is the pile of dogshit Clay thinks he will be, we will know it and so will Reid.

?

He had a good QB.

One who can hit him deep.

Pump yo brakes

We have a lot of talented unknowns on offense right now. Davis at this point is te most exciting to me.

In wheel routes and option routes I think he can excel in Reid's system if we can get him in space.

Wonder why.

Could it be Alex Smith doesn't get the most of out his receivers?

I mean Michael Crabtree's numbers DID improve when he exited the lineup.

Hmmm.

HMMMMMMMMMMMM.

I don't understand why Fasano is not getting the love he deserves. The guys a pretty damn good player.
He was a fan fav down here and was a very solid signing.

Baldwin is gonna have to do something this year. He wasn't really used correctly for his skillet the last few years, IMO, but we will see how he fits in Reid's syatem

We traded for Vernon Davis?

Cool

Could it be that you are completely clueless?

HMMMMMMMMMMMM.

If he disappoints again, it's surely his fault, and not Alex Smith's.

Really? What?

The only explanation for Crabtree's explosion is that Alex Smith is completely inferior to Colin Kaepernick.

No Davis the rb

It's a negative around here to hope that something actually turns out alright.
Gotta be a homer an idiot or true fan.

I was wondering who that is in the picture.


I don't see a problem with hope. I'm hopeful they are good this year but I'm waiting until we at least see a preseason game or two to determine one way or another

Didnt say I expect it to BTW.
Ive come to expect nothing but laughs and head shaking from fans of other teams.

I have no idea who it is and do not have to to know that it is something negative.

Considering the source, I'm sure it is.