No one hands the ball off quite like smiff, lock him up

Dagnabit for mod 2018

I would argue Matt Casshole and Damon Huard were quite good at it if not better. Alex doesn't hand off enough to help his case but he sucks at the other part of quarterbacking.

We shouldn't be surprised that Smith missed an open receiver deep against the Steelers because it happened in the first game, too.

http://i.imgur.com/PjdrE7c.jpg

Damn thats almost the exact same concept, same results, gigabytes didn't catch that watching film the first time?

You would think he would have been licking his chops seeing that unfold in the playoffs...

Thank you for your vote of confidence. I would easily be the fairest Mod CP has ever known.

Love me or hate me, I never lie.

Honestly, any QB that has a player like Tyreek Hill in the huddle with him and doesn't find a way to throw t least 4 deep balls to him per game is a straight up chump.

**** Alex Smith.

That Steeler game was served up on a silver platter by the Steeler defense and Alex Smith refused to make it happen.

I'm pretty sure Foles isn't better than Alex Smith if you factor everything in...but he would hit that TD pass to Hill 95 times out of 100....and you know what hurts almost as bad?.....Tyler Bray would hit Hill in stride on those deep passes like nothing this league has seen for awhile.

I'm not a huge Bray fan, but with my own eyes he throws the best deep ball of any QB we've ever had...and Tyreek Hill might be the fastest player I've ever seen and I've been watching football my whole life.

Damn...Alex Smith has me so pissed he's got me talking about brain dead Bray.

And he would hit that quick TD every game.

Defenses wouldn't be able to attack our offense they way they do with Alex because Foles has testicles.

God I wish we could find a coach/GM like Belicheck (spelling?) who isn't bound by blind loyalty to his players. It's refreshing to see a coach who is quick to get rid of a player who either rocks the boat, asks for more money than they're worth, or who isn't performing. How many wasted seasons and careers are we going to go through with the likes of Alex Smith and Matt Cassel at QB?

There was a legitimate case to be made last year to bring Alex back for 2016 bc he was ascending, but now after this season he's declining.

This offseason needs to be the one that Andy moves on like he did with McNabb.

No chance in hell of that happening.

Hey, look at that! History DOES repeat itself!

At least he let it go.


He doesn't even do that against the Steelers. ****ing pussy.

If you are saying that he would have likely thrown it to Hill of he were double covered like Williams is in that gif, then I think I believe you, actually.

Dorsey and Reid brought on Maclin to play like a #1 receiver, he didn't meet his end of the bargain this season yet in many categories Smith still achieved the same and with arguably a more difficult schedule. Changes won't come until 2017 on the starting position, but I think we'd all be shocked if they don't draft a QB

It's like he doesn't see the WR unless there is a group of defenders around. LMAO

This franchise is run by pansies, all the way up to the top. They won't do shit at QB, they'll wait for Alex to be done just like they did with Trent Green. Even if they do make a move, you can be guaranteed it will be either the wrong move or someone else will jump ahead of them in the draft and take the guy they want.

So do you regret we didn't move up for Paxton Lynch? I sure as hell don't. QB still remains as one of the biggest crap shoots, even with all the scouting that is done. We had huge needs to fill last year and Dorsey did a pretty damn good job filling many of those gaps (DL, WR/ST playmaker, OL ) .Those 3 all have shown us enough that they could be top 10 at their position soon. (ehinger is a bit of stretch but the drop off to Fulton was definitely noticeable in the run game).

Even if he was a bust I would have been happier if we at least tried.

Fair enough. They did make a reach trying with Hogan (who I thought had potential if he could clean up his mechanics). When you see the Brady's/Daks/Russell Wilsons of the draft and you have huge voids in your roster it's hard to blame Dorsey if he wants to try again with a 3rd round pick or later. But as I said earlier, 2018 will definitely be the year we have the cap space to take a stab at it with a 1st or 2nd round pick.

Cap space is irrelevant with a draft pick.

He's said that multiple times today.

What are we gonna do with our first round pick this year? Forfeit it?

We had 3 4th rounders (all before Dak Prescott was taken) and passed all 3 times and then took Hogan after Dak was drafted.

It is what it is, but this team needs to make a move to get a front line starter groomed to take over in 2 years, or sooner.

These guys (Reid and Dorsey) were brought in to win a championship.

No excuses.

Rodgers, Wilson, Prescott, and Carr were all on the board for us. Matt Ryan and Ryan Tannehil taken close enough to us a trade could have been done. The "nobody was available argument" can eat shit.

Flacco and Brees, too.

Thanks. I believe we also passed on Brees the FA when we had a need at QB

Not pulling the trigger on Dak or Russell Wilson will be two of the biggest mistakes this franchise made in this decade.

"But there's no Andrew Luck in this draft"

That's what everyone has said every year since the guy was drafted and the phrase gets dumber and dumber every year. Not one of those guys quoted were "Andrew Luck" caliber prospects.

I was SCREAMING for them to take Russell Wilson in the third round in 2011. Then....Donald Stephenson, only to see Wilson go to Seattle with the very next pick. ****ing hell.

But let's be honest here - if Wilson had come here, Pioli wouldn't have given a chance to rattle the confidence of Pro Bowler Matt Cassel. Wilson would have been our #3 QB, if not buried on the practice squad for that very reason.

Brees (Green)
Brady
Rodgers (DJ)
Flacco (Dorsey/Albert)
Wilson
Prescott
Carr/Bridgewater
Cousins

KC passed on the opportunity to draft every one of these guys since 99

Wilson got the start his rookie year over a FA veteran who hadn't proven shit like Cassel. I agree that Pioli would likely have buried him on the depth chart for his Patriot Way bullshit but Tyler Palko and Brady Quinn ended up starting at one point or another. It would have been so awesome to have Russ waiting in the wings in those days.

Favre
Kelly
Marino

Young
Cunningham
Montana

Seriously...id post the list of guys we took instead of those QBs...but it made me sad and I deleted it before posting it.

Good Lord, Pickston Lynch is an abomination. We baited Denver into moving up for that clown too. Even sweeter.

It's looking that way, but at least they tried. It also helps that they have Siemian who is already a better QB than Alex Smith. I also believe 100% that John Elway would use another 1st round pick on a QB this year if he felt the right guy was there. He's not afraid to grab a guy when the opportunity presents itself, unlike the Chiefs.

Have fun.
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Sadly, this is true until proven otherwise. With the legit picks that KC has passed on, it is most certainly not a matter of "nothing good available".

The short answer is, yes. If they draft Mahomes or Webb.

Don't forget Maury Over AJ McCaron

McCarron is ****ing garbage.

...and we drafted Maury Povich....STEEEEEEEAL

What's good for the QB is good for all.

I have been informed that the Chiefs will no longer be attending the NFL draft and that the franchise has traded it's picks to the league for first crack, untouchable rights to all free agents, restricted and non-restricted.
I have been tasked by John Dorsey to begin calling the GM's of several franchises to inquire about all of their available garbages.
Any current Chiefs who were drafted by the Chiefs are now available for trade.
Give us a call!

To the original question. Yes.

That's hindsight, Reid and Dorsey live in the real world. A lot of Chief fans wanted to draft Geno Smith which shows how much a lot of fans know about the QB position.

Let Reid and Dorsey make the decisions. They are paid professionals with a proven track record, they'll figure it out. Alex Smith is good enough for now...

Draft a QB if a good one is there when we have a pick don't just do it to do it.

MELLINGER: Should The Chiefs Move On From Smith?
 

Reid wanted his boy Foles as soon as he became available. It's very likely McCarron would have been kicked to the curb just like Murray was. They're basically equally shitty QBs. It's just one is a big pile of shit and one is a midget pile of shit

Umm, no he's not and he has a long track record that proves he's not good enough for now.

not the same at all. McCarron will have a chance to start in the NFL at some point, his small sample size in 2015 of actual game action proves that. Murray will be out of the league sooner than later

Mccarron ROFL JFC

Watson in 1st or Mahomes in 2nd

obviously IF they are available there

both pretty fair prospects, but not quite ready day1, or maybe not day 365+1 either

We could cut Alex and he'd come back under a different name. Bono lives on...

I'm more than convinced that the path these undrafted/late round QBs go through often isn't a matter of merit. Yeah, sometimes it is, but only in the case that we expose QBs who simply "never were."

How else can backup QBs look great in action with teams and then super shitty when traded and handed a real job? Why is AJ Feeley winning games and even putting up an occasional 300 yard game in Philly yet struggling like shit with the Dolphins? Matt Cassel is hardly good, but if he's so bad, surely he would be able to **** up the Patriots system and Randy Moss back in 2008. But he didn't. And how did he even come that far?

If Kurt Warner tossed rainbows and raped in his very first year as a starting QB in 1999, why the hell is that kind of play not visible to talent scouts and coaches in the offseason? Why did it take him so long to come up to speed with the Rams? If Trent Green doesn't get cheap shotted by Rodney Harrison, and has a fairly successful and consistent career in St. Louis, does Warner even get discovered?

McCarron played backup-level football. And honestly, I think Murray could have done an equal job as Foles and perhaps even Daniel had we ever depended on him to start a game. Does that make him a good QB? Not at all, but if he does produce those starts the way McCarron was relied on, all of a sudden the Chiefs have a thing to be sold for picks and perhaps even talked about as a challenger for the future of the starting QB position instead of a punchline on fan forums.

And I'm in no way defending Murray. All I'm doing is saying McCarron needs to ****ing prove he has more than his backup stint in 2015 to call him this thing that's way more valuable than the other QB gambles we take in the late rounds of the draft.

Bring the creature back

I and several others will make that call, and let you know.
Stay tuned!

:hmmm:

Alex has admitted that he didn't see Hill sprinting wide open down the field in the playoff game. Unless he's blind that means that he doesn't even look downfield to see if there might be a wide open receiver streaking free. Who needs a quarterback that doesn't even scan the entire field and fears pass rushes that aren't even there. He's useless as tits on a bull! An undrafted free agent at league minimum can throw check downs and bubble screens! Once a quarterback starts playing scared he is totally useless.

Take Hill out of the equation.

He missed on Kelce for an easy completion. He missed the RB running the scramble drill. He missed ****ing everything on that play.

Watson in the first is a reach. 3rd rounder if he's there.

'The downsides of Watson are he is skinnier than what teams typically look for in a quarterback. He throws too many interceptions due to lack of field vision, his deep ball is hit and miss, a lot of times overthrowing the receiver completely. He also needs to work on his progressions, and letting routes finish instead of trying to thread the needle in tight coverage.'

LMAO

JFC. :facepalm:

Doesn't pass the eye test for me. He was around a ton of talent. Definitely no Dak or RW. The team that burns a first for him is clearly desperate to find a QB

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.b1dacb805357

https://www.google.com/amp/draftwire...android-google

I actually agree with Tigger for once. Watson is too much of a project, IMO, to go in the first round. He has no experience in a pro-style system where he has to read the whole defense. His accuracy and decision making have been very inconsistent. He does have all the intangibles that everyone drools over in a quarterback: he's a winner, he's a leader, he plays better in big games and the fourth quarter. But that's not quite enough to make up for what he's currently lacking in the basics of how to play the position at this level.

With that said, Tigger has zero credibility because he's the type of guy who will grasp for any excuse why the Chiefs shouldn't draft a quarterback every year.

Yup, probably a first for me too.

Watson has bust written all over hi! IMO.

Who the **** cares if we draft a QB just for the sake of drafting a QB? WE'VE NEVER ****ING DONE IT BEFORE.

Fans like you constantly harp on this point, like it's something we've seen happen time and time again.

Very few people have ever seen this franchise draft a QB just to draft one. Very few people have ever seen this franchise draft a QB PERIOD.

Aren't you just the LEAST bit curious to draft one and see what happens? Or are you content and happy with Alex Smith playing not to lose and shoving all of the responsibility of winning the game on his defense?

Too risky

It is good to know that your posts are not in touch with reality in general, not just in relation to Smith.

Watson in the third. LMFAO. ROFL

IF CP calls a QB a bust, then he is most likely a must take...

This place couldn't identify QB talent if it tried.... All it knows is franchise game managing rejects from other teams...

Watson has more talent in the corn in his shit than Smith or any other tool this place has sucked off over the years...

I might **** with people in the draft forum about shit and say stuff like "might take a flier round 2," but I'm going to say this very seriously just for Tiger: Deshaun Watson will go top 6.

He's a better pro prospect than Cam Newton was coming out. He throws with better accuracy and touch and has the same movement ability. He has more experience than Cam did against top competition.

If you think Watson is going 3rd round, you're ****ing nuts. 100% Troll Quality Nuts.

No interest in Watson or Kizer for the asking price. Great athleticism, but will not make the transition.

That said, if the Chiefs jump, I will respect and support the decision wholeheartedly.

i watched a whole 3 minutes of college football this year. the last three of the championship game, and i was not impressed with either quarterback. i will mark them both as busts until i see otherwise :D

3 minute evaluation huh? That's Jr Drafturbator level BS right there. What's next? Evaluating players off YouTube reels?

Except I predicted we would draft Hogan as a project as a low risk last year

He's not Cam Newton but he'll probably be better than Manziel and Geno. Not exactly great company.

Well we'll see who's right in 2 years where his true value falls. People were drooling over Lynch in the 1st round, and how has he turned out so far?

Bookmarked.

Lynch is an abomination. Was so cool to let the mule toolers know just how bad he was in camp last year too ROFL Of course spambotmo2724 had 125 twatter references from hacks spinning sunshine bullshit.

Why do you think accuracy is a big issue? He's thrown 67% completion % all three years. Pretty much the same as Mariotta in college.

"Overall, Watson was accurate on 47.5 percent of his deep targets, throwing for 1,196 yards and 18 touchdowns on passes of 20-plus yards. Only Bowling Green’s Matt Johnson found paydirt on more occasions in 2015. Watson was a little aggressive on occasion, throwing seven picks on deep targets, but he made many more positive plays than mistakes, especially late in the year." (From PFF last year).

I'm not claiming to be a Watson or QB expert, I'm just trying to compare him to recent QB's who came out and how they are transitioning in the NFL.

Most NFL personnel men have a 3rd round grade on Watson, and it's easy to see why.... 1/2 field reads, deep ball floats, frame concerns, etc.....

I personally don't want him in KC.

LINK ?

Watch Watson get drafted by some shit organization like the Browns... have an awful rookie season, and then all of the True Fans will be all over CP claiming, "See! I told you he wasn't going to be good... this is why the Chiefs shouldn't draft a QB!" - lol

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