The Frank Clark ride needs to end

Well they did that last Spring and everyone hated it. I bet they do it again bc he’s got 2.5 sacks in the playoffs this month.

I really don’t care as long as they keep drafting developmental players that produce on DL like Danna and Karlaftis.

Neil be fence riding

Myles Garrett got 5/125 with 100 guaranteed with only 1 playoff sack.

TJ Watt got 4/112 with 80 guaranteed with only 1 playoff sack.

Frank Clark should get something like 4/345 with 260 guaranteed with 13 playoff sacks.

No. Just no guys. No.

I'd bring him back.

$1m base salary.
$1m per sack.

You wanna get paid? Produce.

I'm kidding. Sort of.

He's coming back.

Probably best to resign yourself to this fact. At some point the organization determined that 2 good games and 'a mental edge' are more important than the 17 games of nothing we'll for the rest of the year.

My hope at this point is that we've seen the last of the Chiefs believing he's a guy that can/should play 65-70% of the snaps in a game and instead look for a replacement RDE1 and have Clark move into that Dunlap role as a rotational guy.

If he played for any other team in the league, that's probably how we'd view him. A "hey, let's take a cheap flyer on this guy and see if he can help us in the playoffs!" sort of guy.

I mean there's just no way we'd be looking to give this guy a multi-year deal for 8 figures annually coming from, say, LA.

I’d pay him $100k per point in his PFF coverage grade with a $50K bonus per edge set.

Grade out to a 90 in coverage? $9 million.

Set 10 edges? $500k bonus.

Brown Jr and Jones will both get extensions IMO. That will drastically lower their caps hit in 2023 to free up quite a bit of cap space.

I have to wonder if they just don’t touch Frank’s contract and let him have on more year. I’m sure folks here will like that bc tinkering with it likely means more dead money in 2024 instead of him just being off the books.

Don’t touch his contract? There’s no way he’s staying at that cap hit next year. NO ****ING WAY.

Then you want to lower it by keeping him on the books in 2024?

These are the options.

A. Pay the $28 million in 2023 then he’s off the books

B. Restructure again with lower cap hit in 2023 but you’re still paying him basically the difference in money in 2024.

At the end of that clip, drawing on that cigar instantly reminded him how cold it was outside. he went straight inside after that.

What in the ****ing what are you talking about?

You don't have to restructure a damn thing. And you aren't paying him 'basically the same money'. You cut him and clear $20 million from your books.

Worry about the rest later.

Jesus - 'don't touch his contract'? Are you insane?

Top 20 cap hit in all of football, 6th among non-QBs, 3rd among defensive players. Guy played 2 decent games all year.

"Eh, just leave his contract untouched..."

Because evidently we have to pay him $30 million at some point anyway?

Dudes a tard

Oh, they are touching it. He's going to do just as he did this year and reduce his cap hit significantly or he's getting the axe. No way are they keeping him around at 28 million. It's not even in the realm of possibility.

Dude may also just be done with football after this season. It'd be a hell of a way to go out.

They aren’t cutting him DJ. Come on. We know that’s not happening. Best to just accept it now.

Last year they stared at a $26.3 million cap hit from him for this season and drug the can down an extra year to lower his cap hit to $13.2 million this year and $7.6 million in dead money in 2023 if they cut him.

Since we are pretty damn sure they aren’t cutting him, I guess it’s a lose/lose for you. Either pay him that big cap hit one more year or deal with his dead money in 2025.

Not unless they can work magic to somehow restructure to lower the 2023 cap hit and keep it at 1 more year. Doesn’t sound likely

You of all people should probably shut your mouth about Frank Clark considering how reeruned your takes are about a player with 10.5 playoff sacks in 4 years.

He has $21 million in non-guaranteed money.

Just exactly how much leverage do you think he has here?

'Magic' ain't necessary - an abacus should do just fine.

He's either taking a significant pay cut....and I mean SIGNIFICANT....or they'll just cut his ass.

If they keep Clark at a cap hit of $28.675 million (which is more than Chris Jones)....then ****ing fire Veach because he's ****ing reeruned.

He's got a prorated bonus of $7.675 million that they're on the hook for either way. His base salary is $20.5 million...none of it guaranteed.

He can either accept a pay cut down to a base salary of $4.5 million or he can kick rocks. That would move his cap hit down to $12.675 million.

That's what I believe KC is overlooking here.

The 'dead money' he's talking about doesn't exist. $9 million of it does, but it's on next year's cap one way or the other. Keep him, cut him - it's there. That was the trade-off and the argument I had with the "he costs the same" crowd last season. There's NOTHING that can be done to change that.

The other $21 million is just fake money. It doesn't exist unless we pay it. There's no 'dead money' there that needs to be spread into subsequent years and there's ZERO chance the Chiefs elect to give the guy a $21 million base salary next year.

He'll play on a salary commensurate with his full-season contributions (with a nod to his performance in the playoffs) or he's gone.

This is just silly. With $21 million in non-guaranteed money, you might as well view the guy as a free agent and consider his possible contract terms accordingly. That dollar figure means NOTHING.

Yeah. That "keeping him at his current cap hit" bullshit was so far the dumbest shit I've seen today. He's making more than Chris Jones this year if you do that.

Got take:

Veach will get a 3rd round pick for Frank.

I’m looking at you, Jacksonville…or the Giants.

When you think of all the great pass rushers in the history of the game, it is amazing to think that Clark is currently sitting in 3rd place for postseason sacks. 1 in the Super Bowl and he is tied with Bruce Smith.

If Clark is released and then re-signs with a contender he could easily break the record.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...r_playoffs.htm

Jacksonville has more quality rushers than they have a use for.

And NOBODY is trading for Frank Clark. They just won't. Because ultimately nobody is going to pay the guy $20 million in base salary next year. And that's the contract you'd be trading for.

That's one of the reasons I think he stays. I think he wants that record because he does seem to take pride in getting post-season sacks (y'know, setting aside his half-assing the regular season for a moment).

And there's not a team in football more likely to make the playoffs every year for the next 3 years than KC.

So he's going to stay. But he's not going to refuse to restructure and he's going to restructure in the same manner he did last year. the notable distinction being that there's no more real dead money to push out so it's less of a restructure (though that's how it will be discussed) than it is a cut/re-sign scenario.

I'm guessing Franchise is probably about right on where he ends up. $4-6 million in base with incentives that can get him about twice that. It won't create any 'dead money' because even if there's a face or cap saving mechanism whereby some of his outlay is rolled into 2024, most of it will be in the form of additional non-guaranteed dollars just like last season.

I'm not a huge fan of him being on this team next year but if his cap hit is brought down into the $12-13 million range....then it's more palatable. I'm also not a fan of him starting either. Bring his ass in off the bench and bring in 1-2 more guys.

Karlaftis
Danna
Clark
??
??

If they do decided to just part ways with him, then I'd hope they would find a way to bring back Dunlap for another one year deal.

I'd rather attempt to start the Karlaftis/Davenport era at DE, but bringing Clark back on any sort of real number would likely preclude that. And ultimately Davenport seems to be the top of a pretty thin FA defensive end class so he's probably going to get more than we'd want to pay.

I mean…worse things could (and have) happened.

As long as he’s somewhat cheap and helps out in the postseason, I guess it works.

We just have to accept what this is. After all of the years of key guys disappearing in the postseason, we now have the exact opposite. He’s basically an NBA player who has found his own load management schedule without telling anyone.

Laying out options of what we can do.

All I know is if we have to do what we did last year with Frank we’ll never hear the end of this from DJ LMAO

Let's also be honest - he's turning 30 and he's never been a very healthy player. There's a pretty decent chance he ages like milk.

If you're of the 'better to move on from a guy a year early than a year late' school, the time to get out of the Frank Clark game is probably now.

I'm right there with you. With how the FA pool is looking for WR and OT...I'm all for blowing as much of our load on Davenport as Veach is comfortable with. That's assuming that Clark is gone.

Then draft WR, OT and DT.

It would be hilarious if he just did this same shit for the next decade.

Nonexistent regular season. Battles injuries and illness all year. 4.5 sacks in the regular season. 2+ sacks every postseason.

Puts the post season sack record completely out of reach forever with like 35. It would look like whenever you look up NBA stats and see Wilt Chamberlain at the top.

Davenport is exactly the type of player that a team with money spends big on to try to get back on track.

Randy Gregory was a brokedick who had a career high of 6 sacks and 1 dumb team gave him $14 million/ year while his old team came close to that.

Figure someone will offer more than that for Davenport

I don't love the idea of brigning him back, again, at anything of significance. Definitely not something that's structured to actually pay him 8 digit AAV.

He's a $7.5M dead cap hit next year. If they can do something that has an easy out after the $23 season and significantly cuts his cap number while being nearly neutral compared to his dead cap hit, I'm not against that idea.

Something that adds 3-4M to his 2023 dead cap total is probably something that you can live with, as long as you're supplementing DE in the draft again and plannign to walk away.

Is there a deal there that makes sense for Clark, though? That's hard to find and get to.

DJ and I talked about it already but if you can cut his base salary from $20 million down to $4-6 million with some incentives built in....then the contract is at least doable. If he's unwilling to do that...then cut his ass and thank him for the postseason sacks.

He got about $15 million in 'new' money last year with his base and signing bonus. I'd offer him about half that. If we can get him to sign a 2 year deal with no guarantees in year two and we give him a $2 million base with a $6 million bonus to bring his number down to $5 million this year and $3 million dead next year - fine. I'd just shrug that off as neither good nor bad.

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How many more postseason sacks he need to be all time leader?

3

incredibly tribute to damar hamlin coming

Not a fan of Neil with the way he left KC.

Right. I thought about bringing celebratory cigars for after the game if the Chiefs were to win. But then I thought better of it considering how cold it was going to be. No way I wanted to be hanging outside any longer than necessary.

Watching his presser today and I really feel like he has changed (personally) this year. He seems much more - thoughtful, calm, collected, focused, humble - he talked about losing his father last year and how close he has become to Andy as a father figure and talking about life. Talked about making mistakes and learning from them. Haven't really seen a lot of him in pressers this year but from what I remember from the ones in the past this is a very different Frank Clark.


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Um, ya know?

My favorite part is when they asked about Brady and he spent like a second on him lol.

you could tell he didn't give a shit last year

he's zen as **** now

If only there were someone who watched a Frank Clark presser during the offseason and said the same thing and started a thread about it to support the guy...

With that said, I will be wearing a Frank Clark shirt to the Super Bowl, boys!

Looking back in hindsight, just theorizing here of course, but i wonder if he's physically just rounding into form.

Lets be fair here, he DID look skinny during TC. He looked like he lost muscle during his attempt to lose weight. It could be possible that he's simply physically in a better place than he was to start the season.

that power move on the jags LT was beast mode

TwistedChiefs is God.

All knowing, all seeing.

Getting off the alcohol + losing weight + contract year + Joe Cullens = Prime Frank Clark.

Good for him, but shingles doesn't care. If he were in a much netter spot to start the year, why did he dog it for 12 and 1/4 games before turning it on? I hope he gets 3 sacks in the super bowl but you can't rely on Frank in the regular season

I’m sorry I missed that.:D

Unlikely they cut bait. Will probably be looking at a restructure and drafting his developmental replacement on day two.

I'm also not keen on picking up his replacement in FA either tbh. Waste of money. With the way Cullen coaches up our guys, just develop them the same way we are churning out CBs.

On a side note, just based off positional needs of this team + draft capital this draft is going to be so ****ing exciting man. Especially if we lock up OBJ. We could theoretically do exactly what we did with the secondary last year and go buck wild picking rushing talent.

this thread can only end in a super bowl mvp for frank clark as he gets three sacks and breaks the all-time postseason sack record

Love Frank but Mahomie needs that Super Bowl MVP so he can complete the sweep

regular season MVP
Walter Payton man of the year
Super Bowl MVP


:clap:

he's not getting WPMOTY after damar

and i have a weird feeling kelce or pacheco or chris get SB MVP

the chiefs defense is on a ****ing roll and a 6-1 n00b ain't ready

bills nominated dion dawkins for wpmoty
https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-walter...inees-unveiled

One of many that will be inducted into the KC Chiefs ROH.

We are going run out of room on each level.

Um, I get the Frank Clark hate.

But fire Veach? Come on, man.

Legendary.

https://i.imgur.com/aNNg1yr.gif

Frank Clark is 3rd all time in post season sacks and ALWAYS shows up big in the playoffs

why would you want to cut this guy ROFL

This hit really shook Joe up. He seemed rattled back there even though Tony Romo said NOTHING ever gets to JOE WONDERFUL!!

DJ and I have obviously spent a lot of time in this thread discussing Clark's improvement in coverage skills. It seems the rest of the world is finally starting to take notice:

https://www.dessertcravingtees.com/v...BoCvgEQAvD_BwE

Clark Island anyone? Entirely possible a legendary SB performance - couple sacks while locking down AJ Brown - and he'll have a real case to make for Canton.

How many Super Bowls did Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes win before they had an elite Coverage DE on the other side of the ball? I’ll wait.

Wouldn't be the worst idea.

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That is terrible.

Here's my logic.

You win Super Bowls when you have an elite QB and a killer pass rush.

Karlaftis is ready to go for double digit sacks. Jones is likely to be extended if you ask me.

The Chiefs need one more bookend and he and Karlaftis will torture tackles for a decade.

That bookend does not exist in free agency, really. The bookend you need is probably in Round 1 of the NFL Draft. (And truth be told, he's probably at West Point.)

You're going to need that guy to have the best coaching available. He's going to get it with Joe Cullen, but Frank Clark plays an unmistakable part of that. Clark's tutelage has helped maximize Mike Danna beyond all of our expectations, and it's boosted Karlaftis' development.

I think Clark's play in the postseason is really important, but the thing that's completely irreplaceable is how valuable he is in bringing up young guys. He may be a difficult human being, but he's beloved in that locker room and they completely feed off his energy. When Clark is popping, the entire DL plays incredibly loose.

What did you expect for 14.99?

Pacheco as SB MVP would only happen if the Chiefs get up by a couple scores in the 1st quarter forcing the Eagles to abandon the ground game, Clark gets the record for most playoff sacks, and Pacheco gets 150 yards on the ground behind the Oline crushing souls for the entire 2nd half.

Playoff Frank

That's a lot of faith in George.

Weren't folks recently poking fun at the idea of Frank mentoring the young Des?

Frank working with George in camp:

https://media.tenor.com/cSay-_yeYKcA...urn-around.gif

The time I was there, Frank was working with George specifically on timing the snap and reaching when he’s close to making the play and those specific learned skills paid dividends.

Watch the tape.

There's nothing Karlaftis is doing the past two months of this season that he can't replicate for the totality of the 2023 season.

Karlaftis has been applying pressure all season, but he figured out how to convert that to sacks the final third of the season. He's turning corners sharper, his countermoves are more effective at keeping himself in the play.

He was already a readymade NFL player when we drafted him, but Karlaftis' passrush is here. It has arrived.

His run defense is not yet where it needs to be, but with his size and the coaching he's getting, it will be.

I don't know who "folks" are. But Clark has been reported every single season he's been here as working technique with younger players.

To say nothing of the fact that, despite the fact that he's a difficult human being, he's beloved in the locker room. He's been a headache for the team off the field, but he hasn't brought any of it into the locker room like Mathieu did with the contract situation.

And of course, as I said before and as we've all seen, once Clark heats up a bit in the game the entire DL responds.