I'd buy into that more if the exact same issues weren't being had in Seattle last year where that OC was.

It's all that + I'm just not sure he's done the work. More than a few occasions now he's made an arrogant ass out of himself - whether it was on hard knocks, the interaction with Stroud Sunday, pre-draft - he has shown his stripes multiple times and ironically he may have needed this humbling start to his career more than any amount of success.

Yeah i said pretty much the same thing after watching him week 1.

Oof

Stop making excuses. Saw the dude flat miss a WIDE OPEN TD to Keenan week 1 who had ROASTED Sneed. That's on the OC?

A complete disaster today in Indy! I agree with Tox. He looks as bad as Bryce Young out there.

You know who he doesn't remind me of out there right now?

Patrick Mahomes

Caleb is a generational… bust.

And the Pro-Caleb poster here who predicted that Caleb would make multiple Pro Bowls… only as the 10th replacement maybe.

I bet when Caleb won games in middle and high school he'd go get a manicure as a little treat

Them nails are gonna look bad this year

This can't be! I was assured that he can do everything that Patrick Mahomes can do!

He threw a TD

He figured out you want to get the ball to your guy in the redzone not the other guy

Possibly a turning point??

I mean it's a good first step LMAO

Ryan Leaf 2.0

Some really talented college QBs make it to the NFL and then we all find out that the NFL game is too fast and too complicated for them.

I got a long way to go before I say Caleb may not make it but he looks horrible. Lost, stupid, bad decisions.

Chicago may destroy all his confidence.

I am also curious about how much a situation matters. Look at Darnold. Granted it’s still early, but he’s been looking pretty solid.

Situation matters a lot.

Bryce Young has been destroyed. He may only be a backup but right now he can't even make waterboy.

I think the game will slow down for him. But it’s fun to watch him struggle. He has always been very arrogant. He’s eating humble pie right now.

Yup. That's why I don't care for him. But yeah, some QBs struggle early and then turn out okay. Look at Jordan Love. He was terrible his first year. Now he's doing ok.

He looks like a rookie QB, if I wanna be real honest, Anthony Richardson looks worse.

Still think you can do everything Mahomes does?

He was hyped as being “generational”… in the Mahomes category.

Having a Derek Carr-type career = bust, relative to the hype.

Same thing with Andrew Luck and Trevor Lawrence. Caleb has all the physical tools, but so did those 2 guys. We'll see how it goes over time. In the short term, I am enjoying Caleb's struggles. The kid needs some humble pie. Hopefully he embraces the situation with a better attitude than he has shown in the past. He has potential to become a better person, a better team leader, and a better player in the long run with a proper attitude adjustment.

He was thrown in the deep end of the pool and not coming up to the surface.

I'm telling you these new QB's need some time to soak in the speed and complexity of the NFL before they take the field.

Exactly! Which is why Mahomes sitting a year behind Smith was by far the best thing that could’ve happened to Mahomes

The Bears loaded up their offense with good WR’s, Swift at RB, etc.

He’s not walking into a dumpster fire situation.

Swift has been ****ing horrible.

Lincoln Riley does a piss poor job of preparing his QBs for the mental side of the game.

It's not a coincidence that Caleb Williams, Kyler Murray, and Spencer Rattler all entered the league with their biggest question marks being their mentals.

Overreaction planet showing out again

He's gone against most of the worst teams and defenses in the league.

He looks good so far

Was always going to be how he delt with failure and overcoming Eberflus

Seems to be tracking but there's a lot left to tell

It's strange; but the better he plays the less gay he becomes.

4-2 after beating:

1-3 Titans
1-4 Rams
1-4 Panthers
1-5 Jaguars

Lol. Yeah he’s on Mahomes level.

I have 4 E-TICKETS available for the Kansas city chiefs vs Denver Broncos game on 11/10
i will be out of town with my family.
$150 each.

Your placement accuracy is on par with Caleb, you sir are destined to be a massive disappointment as well.

MAHOMO burner?

Gayleb already has receivers quitting on him. Probably getting tired of watching him do his nails pregame

He is awful out there.

I still think 1 season is too quick to label him a bust but he's not doing himself any favors

Is Trevor Lawrence considered a bust?

The Bears should move to another city. They can come back in a couple years

Bears need to hire an offensive HC… Ben Johnson… to salvage Caleb.

Disaster today

he deserves to be co-owner!

Oh he'll get three seasons to show he's the guy or not.

This year is strike one. Three strikes and you's a bust

Beachtribe is that you?

Selling fake tickets for crack money?

At least they got rid of that terrible OC, this is just a wasted year though no idea why they kept Eberflus dumb ass.

As much as I detest this arrogant little runt, we all know how important coaching is to a young QB, and he's got probably the worst offensive staff in football behind him. They will fill the staff with top flight offensive minds next year, and I'm guessing we'll see better results.

I mean look... It sounds like the team as a whole hates Waldron. I'm guessing he's not a bad guy but is just way out of his skis.

But man... The body language of the WRs to Caleb looks so bad it can't entirely be about Waldron. I think they hate the guy and it's not because he sucks right now. So did Bryce young. This looks like they just can't stand the guy. Maybe that's just dj Moore being a diva, but it just looks that way

Supposedly there's players that want Williams benched for the backup.

Already getting coaches fired

DJ Moore has put up with a lot of shit in his career.

If he hates you, its about more than bad football.

If only anyone thought Williams' personality might be an issue for him...

It turns out grown masculine men don't like bundle of stickss....

Nick Wright just made a good point. Said that in the last three games he has no INTs, no turnover grades worthy plays, and only one explosive play. Basically sounds like he isn’t even playing QB right now and is just completely neutered and being coached to let the defense win the game. No aggressiveness at all. Probably very little fire or grit either when playing so timid. I could definitely see why players might want the backup when they see the QB playing so scared.

Of course Williams has been plenty bad in his own right independent of probable bad coaching. He is taking terrible sacks and missing easy throws.

Sounds like i have some googlin' to do.

Looks like Waldron is a Massachusetts prep school guy who got his start with the Patriots in the 2000s. I’d say he’s likely a Patriot Way D bag. Man the absolute rot of that tree is unbelievable.

3 years from now he'll still suck and be getting a 60 million a year contract and random cpers will still defend him "whatcha wan dem to deeeeewwwww"

Kind of like the turd in New York, the one in Jacksonville, and the one on Dallas

Guy texted their punter saying he wasn’t going to have to do much this season…they had like 8 punts on Sunday

Like I said - the best example of this was always Russell Wilson.

You can be weird and self-absorbed when you're really damn good. When you're not and you need your teammates to pull on the same side of the rope as you, they'd better like you.

And they aren't gonna like weird and self absorbed.

It isn't that you CAN'T succeed being an AI Generated quarterback like Russell Wilson. It's that your margin for error is about zero.

Because these are grown ass men, almost all millionaires, that aren't gonna be real interested in going to war for you when all you care about is...you.

Because he doesn't know what 'putting in the work' actually is.

He thinks he does.

He's wrong.

Again, being Patrick Mahomes isn't about playing like your ass is on fire. It's about being prepared for every possible eventuality and being able to execute in the most dire of situations when that eventuality occurs.

This guy convinced himself he could be Mahomes without that level of commitment.

Bears certainly love hiring shitty coaches to ruin their high drafted QB prospects.

I mean he's making mistakes, but is there really evidence that he's not committed and not working his ass off?

I seriously wonder if he has the mental capacity to be a game changing QB.

A grown man who sobs in his mommy's arms on TV because he lost a game is never going to be a successful NFL QB. This MFer's fate was sealed before he even finished his college career.

He was referring to himself.

He was terrible in Seattle last year also.

Ben Johnson pretty openly said that is a job he'd want if it was open so we'll probably find out next year how good he can be with competent coaching.

Who could’ve possibly seen this coming? :shrug:

As I said prior to the draft, the Bears were in a unique spot since Gayleb was a high school star in DC. They could’ve traded back one spot with the Commies, probably picked up at least Washington’s 1st round pick next year, and still drafted Jayden Daniels, who I was on record saying was the best QB in the ‘24 draft.

Remember when we used to give qbs minimum of three years to figure things out?

NFL has certainly changed

He's probably improved a tick.

But the guy we saw out there in the first 3 weeks of the season was playing backward football. He wasn't reading defenses or trying to run an offense. He was trying to make all those sort of Mahomes throws with the sidearm shit and off-platform looks.

He looked for all the world like someone who didn't appreciate how difficult it is to do any of that.

And again, I think he believes he's working hard. I just don't think there's anybody in that entire organization to point out to him where his effort should be going and how to direct that energy.

The franchise that hires Ben Johnson as HC and Robert Saleh as DC will be in great shape.

I’m still going to wait and see on him.

We’re talking about one of the oldest franchises in NFL history that still hasn’t had a 4,000 yard passer. In the year 2024. That level of ineptitude permeates DEEP.

He’s losing support among his team mates.. a shit show.

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You have to be out of your mind to go to the coach and seriously ask them to switch from the rookie QB who was picked first overall, in a season where it won't remotely matter because the playoffs are already off the table.

I get that it points to Caleb not doing well, not being liked, etc. But come on, If I'm the coach I would laugh somebody out of the room if they brought me that nonsense.

Umm it means the HC needs flushed as well

Couldn't agree more.

I said early on the most shocking offseason news this past offseason was that Eberflus was NOT fired.

Agreed. Those players should be benched for treason.

I just listened to a podcast where it sounds like the bears keep hanging on to eberflus because the owner is too cheap to buy him out.

And it sounds like the new oc was the guy who developed......... Bryce young

Holy shit what a mess

RIP Caleb's career

I watched him occasionally while he was in college. He held the ball way too long trying to figure where to throw the ball because he cannot read defenses. He is doing that as a Pro. It goes to his intelligence or lack there of. To top that off he is an arrogant prick.
I laughed when the Bears drafted him over Daniels.

I flip around to different NFL games on Sunday. I swear every time I turn on a Bears game that kid is on his back. Either getting sacked or right after he throws a incomplete pass.