Let me say this one more time.... Jay Cutler is like Tyler Wilson because the media gives him a bad rap.

Cock-punch.

70% seems pretty high. I guess depends on what "bust" means. To me, respectability as a team's primary QB makes the guy a "not bust". And let's be honest-- the Chiefs with one of the "not bust" QBs I list below would be FAR better.

Since 2002, QBs taken in the 1st round:
2012: Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, Weeden
2011: Newton, Gabbert, Ponder, Locker
2010: Bradford, Tebow
2009: Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman
2008: Ryan, Flacco
2007: Russell, Quinn
2006: Young, Leinart, Cutler
2005: Smith, Rodgers, Campbell
2004: Manning, Rivers, Losman, Roethlisberger
2003: Palmer, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman
2002: Carr, Harrington, Ramsey

Not busts (18):
Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, Newton, Ponder, Bradford, Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, Ryan, Flacco, Cutler, Smith, Rodgers, Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Palmer

Busts (16): Weeden, Gabbert, Locker, Tebow, Russell, Quinn, Young, Leinart, Campbell, Losman, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman, Carr, Harrington, Ramsey

You can quibble about certain guys here and there. I took a guess on the guys in 2012 and 2011 since they're still so fresh. Some not busts will actually be busts (like Sanchez perhaps) and some busts may one day become not busts (like those first four names). The point is, it's about a 50% hit rate for getting a good QB.

To get a TRUE franchise QB, the rate is probably closer to your 70% probability of failure. If you remove all the 2011 and 2012 QBs from both lists and then tally it up I get this:

Franchise QBs (9): Stafford, Ryan, Flacco, Cutler, Smith, Rodgers, Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger

Busts/game managers (15): The rest

9/24 hit rate, or a 64% chance of not drafting a true franchise QB likely capable of winning a Super Bowl

I'm not going to do the DT analysis, but I'll bet it's no better than the QB odds.

Realistically, SOMETHING has to be drafted. I'll take the QB odds any day.

The best two QBs of the past decade were guys that were glued to the pocket. Again, Mallett used to have character issues. That is well documented and is the reason he fell in the draft. However, he is now walking the line and staying straight under the strictest coach.

I didn't say we should trade for him today. I said he was worth a look.

The media is irrelevant to how good a QB is or if you want him on your team.

The media gives Ben Roethlisberger a bad rap all the time, and he has two Super Bowls.

No. Jay Cutler is a huge asshole and deserves a bad rap. Jay Cutler is just a terrible POS human being.

-Dexter McCluster is quicker than Jamaal Charles

-Brandon Siler is a better tackler than Derrick Johnson

-Geno Smith has character issues because he wore his hat backwards in a press conference

-Ryan Mallett has a good chance of being a better QB than any of the top 3 QBs in the 2013 draft.


Ladies and gentlemen, the world according to TardBob

LMAO

I figured it like this.

A decent QB needs to make at least one pro bowl. If guys like Cassel and Grbac can do it, so should anyone considered "decent." Making the pro bowl doesn't make you a franchise QB. However, it does mean that at least once you were in the top 10 of the league.

So that means over the past decade, 30% (9 out of 30) first round QBs were decent or better. That includes Andy Dalton and Cam Newton.

Smith to KC, STILL, per WF Mock.

Eat it, ****-o.

Do you see the difference though? Rothlesberger is knocked for what he did off the field. Cutler is knocked for what he appears to do on the field. The truth is that I don't even like the guy. He is one of my most hated players. However, he does get a bad rap and he is tough as nails imo. Did you see him last night? He took the shot of the year and finished the game.

Look at Chicago. Look at the QBs they went through and the years they spend trying to find one. They were just like us and now they have a franchise QB. A guy people want to play for. You look at what that guy has done over the past few years and it's pretty damn impressive. We need a guy who will yell at a linemen now and again. It's part of his job imo.

DT is the weakest position in this draft? There are like TEN potential first round defensive tackles, of which about five are juniors. I think you are a bronco-fan-mult trolling this community.

Good job except for the second one. I said Geno Smith needs to grow up and carry himself better. He needs to not wear his hat sideways or backwards like Rothlesberger, Romo, Young, or Vick. He needs to be better than them in interviews etc. He needs to man up.

Honestly, he hasn't worn his hat backwards all year so he probably has some good handlers. He has imporved in this area. Now he just needs to do it on the field. He needs to rally his team and carry them when things go bad. You know how Flacco ran for a first down on third and long against KC to pretty much finish the game? That's the kind of guy we need. Geno isn't there yet.

He needs to not wear his hat sideways or backwards

What a cartoon ROFL

Like Flacco used to do at Delaware? Are we suggesting that Smith isn't a finished product yet?