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Prison Bitch 07-26-2015 10:30 PM

There weren't any pissed off Brew fans at the time, I read their boards and they loved it. And they loved it the whole next season they won96 and went to the NLCS. Even today I doubt you'd find many who would trade that year for "what ifs"

DaneMcCloud 07-26-2015 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11620854)
All I'm saying is that we'd be competitive with the Giants. Neither team has really changed the way they approach the game. The Royals are improved, and last year we were one base away from tying it up in Game 7.

It seems silly to me that the Giants are some sort of superpower and the Royals are shit in a bag. It'd be a pretty even matchup (again) as a World Series.

The Giants ARE a "Super Power". Three out of the last five World Series champions.

All I stated as that I'm not sure that this move is enough to win the Series, not that the Royals are a bad team.

'Hamas' Jenkins 07-26-2015 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11620882)
The Giants ARE a "Super Power". Three out of the last five World Series champions.

All I stated as that I'm not sure that this move is enough to win the Series, not that the Royals are a bad team.

The Royals could win the WS with or without Cueto because you're talking about three extremely small sample sizes. The Giants were never the best team when they won the WS, not even close, actually.

Getting Cueto improves the Royals chances in each playoff series, but only by a few percent. It's just the nature of baseball.

If you put a 38 win team in the NBA playoffs they would never win, but a 75 win team could win the WS.

duncan_idaho 07-26-2015 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 11620863)
It seems to me that Lamb was really really close to Odorizzi in prospect status. If Lamb would have never got TJd and struggled the 1st season after his injury (understandably so) he would have rivaled Odorizzi. I think I valued Lamb a little higher than most Royals fans though. Still, I thought they would give up more so I'm not really pissed about the trade or anything.

I think Almonte in the place of Lamb would have been perfect to me.

Your eval of Lamb is off base, man.

If he'd never had the TJ, he would have remained a superior prospect to Odorizzi. He was an elite guy before the injury, just never found his way all the way back. He's getting closer....

The highest value player in this deal is either Finnegan or Reed, depending on how you look at it.

Lamb is the third piece/lotto ticket.

RealSNR 07-26-2015 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11620882)
The Giants ARE a "Super Power". Three out of the last five World Series champions.

All I stated as that I'm not sure that this move is enough to win the Series, not that the Royals are a bad team.

They can't use those championship rings to find a deeper rotation or hit the ball better.

ON PAPER the Royals are an even matchup with the Giants. It'd be a tight series. I don't see any good reason to think that the Royals can't beat them given how close last year was.

duncan_idaho 07-26-2015 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11620885)
The Royals could win the WS with or without Cueto because you're talking about three extremely small sample sizes. The Giants were never the best team when they won the WS, not even close, actually.

Getting Cueto improves the Royals chances in each playoff series, but only by a few percent. It's just the nature of baseball.

If you put a 38 win team in the NBA playoffs they would never win, but a 75 win team could win the WS.

Yeah. Trading Cueto improves KC's chances of holding on to the division and of securing home field advantage in the playoffs by maintaining the best regular-season record.

It helps. It makes the Royals a better or more complete team - but it still is a crapshoot when you get there.

If Mike Trout goes on a tear like he has been on in the past week in a 7-game series, you're still susceptible to getting bounced.

Hootie 07-26-2015 10:46 PM

Are we really talking about Cardinals greatest teams in the Royals repository thread? Lmao. Yeah, ban me from your thread hahaha

KevB 07-26-2015 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 11620863)
It seems to me that Lamb was really really close to Odorizzi in prospect status. If Lamb would have never got TJd and struggled the 1st season after his injury (understandably so) he would have rivaled Odorizzi. I think I valued Lamb a little higher than most Royals fans though. Still, I thought they would give up more so I'm not really pissed about the trade or anything.

I think Almonte in the place of Lamb would have been perfect to me.

He didn't just "struggle the 1st season after TJ". He was awful in '12 and '13 while being utterly mediocre in '14. More importantly, his fastball was topping out in the high 80's. He really wasn't a prospect anymore at that point. It's pretty cool that he progressed and worked his way back into the picture, but I'll take Almonte at this point.

ChiefsCountry 07-26-2015 10:48 PM

It's funny that Lamb is talk on here while every other social media it's about Finnegan. We are way too advanced/nerdy/obessed with sports lol.

okcchief 07-26-2015 10:53 PM

Last years series was about as close as you could get with MadBum having a historically great series. If the Royals and Giants met again the Royals would probably be a slight favorite to win. It's not like the Giants skull ****ed them last year. I think everyone respects what the Giants have accomplished, but they aren't an unbeatable machine either. Baseball comes down to who is hot in October. The playoffs are much harder to predict in baseball than any other sport. Anyone who makes the cut has a shot. The Royals have a better shot with Cueto than without. They'll have as good of a chance as anyone, but the hottest team will win. Why not us? :)

KevB 07-26-2015 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 11620899)
It's funny that Lamb is talk on here while every other social media it's about Finnegan. We are way too advanced/nerdy/obessed with sports lol.

The nerds in this thread have a longer history with Lamb, and his path has been interesting to say the least. It's easy to pull for him.

KevB 07-26-2015 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by okcchief (Post 11620901)
Last years series was about as close as you could get with MadBum having a historically great series. If the Royals and Giants met again the Royals would probably be a slight favorite to win. It's not like the Giants skull ****ed them last year. I think everyone respects what the Giants have accomplished, but they aren't an unbeatable machine either. Baseball comes down to who is hot in October. The playoffs are much harder to predict in baseball than any other sport. Anyone who makes the cut has a shot. The Royals have a better shot with Cueto than without. They'll have as good of a chance as anyone, but the hottest team will win. Why not us? :)

Adding Cueto should allow us to protect the pen a bit more. It also, hopefully, allows us to expand our lead in the division which would allow for more rest for our regulars. A rested position group and bullpen going into the playoffs would be big.

okcchief 07-26-2015 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 11620904)
Adding Cueto should allow us to protect the pen a bit more. It also, hopefully, allows us to expand our lead in the division which would allow for more rest for our regulars. A rested position group and bullpen going into the playoffs would be big.

That could go both ways I suppose. Those wildcard teams that have had to battle to the last week have a good track record lately. Though having your season rest on that one game is terrifying. I'll take my chances as division champs lol.

suzzer99 07-26-2015 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11620633)
THIS! The Royals get hot, they can beat anyone in the playoffs.

At this point I'm more worried about some other team getting hot and beating us in the playoffs.

alnorth 07-26-2015 11:08 PM

So, win or lose, given the ALCS last year and this big trade, GMDM probably has guaranteed himself a contract extension even if we get blown out in the ALDS, right? We wanted an ace, and he went out and got one without completely trashing the future.


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