Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9861012)

Seriously???? We all know how bad Crennel and his staff were, but i think we underestimate just how bad it was. He was godawful and so was his staff.


Reid is a proven winner. Crennel never was.

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9860999)

*shrug*

I don't think coaching can fix any of those guys.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9861023)

The good news is we should be able to throw the piss poor coaching excuse out the window with this team so if we have the talent some think we do, we should win some games.

Originally Posted by Maverick91579 (Post 9861026)

Coaching AT THIS LEVEL, IS THE DIFFERENCE. The quicker you understand that, the quicker we can all move on.

All of the athletes at this level, are similar. Coaching always gets the best out of players. Or do you believe that without the coaching that Tom Brady would of been Tom Brady?

Originally Posted by Maverick91579 (Post 9861026)

Coaching always gets the best out of players. Or do you believe that without the coaching that Tom Brady would of been Tom Brady?

Originally Posted by Maverick91579 (Post 9861026)

Coaching AT THIS LEVEL, IS THE DIFFERENCE. The quicker you understand that, the quicker we can all move on.

All of the athletes at this level, are similar. Coaching always gets the best out of players. Or do you believe that without the coaching that Tom Brady would of been Tom Brady?

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9861061)

Talent is what matters at this level. Players make coaches look good more often than the other way 'round. Teams are rarely 'coached up'. They're assembled by smart front offices.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9861072)

I don't know, I think it makes a big differencde

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9861061)

Talent is what matters at this level. Players make coaches look good more often than the other way 'round. Teams are rarely 'coached up'. They're assembled by smart front offices.

On the flip side, bad coaches can have a detrimental impact, but even then, good players can overcome bad coaches.

Unfortunately what we've seen here for too long is the worst of both worlds.

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9861044)

Tom? yes.


I agree with the premise though and find it applicable to the majority of players. IMO, Tom isn't one of them. Neither is Barry Sanders, as another example.

Some people, just regardless of reason produce and turn into absolute freaks even when they shouldn't. It's the beauty of athletic competition.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9860607)

If five years from now Eric Fisher were to become the next Tony Mandarich, and I posted a comment about how it was stupid of Reid and Dorsey to even consider him the top overall pick, a bunch of reeruns like you would say, "You're just butthurt the Chiefs didn't draft Geno."

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9860495)

But I don't think Alex was ever coached down. I think, there are times Alex has his back to the wall and quits thinking -- and suddenly he is a GREAT QB. But those times are fleeting. Most of the time he over-thinks, plays it safe, and the regresses back to Good Alex, the mediocre 15-20th ranked QB.

I don't think it is coaching down at all. I think it is just Alex's nature.

Maybe Andy will bring the will to attack out of Alex. If he does, Alex will be a very good QB indeed. I just wouldn't expect to see a dramatic mental change in Alex in year 9 of his career. A game or 2 sure, but not overall.

Last year, he grew a bit. He attacked well game 1 vs. the Packers. He really went after them. In the Bills game, he really attacked -- although I still maintain that the DBs were not in press coverge and played off his receivers. Alex has never had a problem launching it deep to isolated receivers -- it is when there is a DB in the proximity that he seems to balk and check down rather than challenge that DB deep. At least Flacco slightly overthrows his receivers so either they get it or nobody does. Alex doesn't even make the attempt on those -- well, at least, he didn't. We'll see going forward.

Anyway, vs. Packers & Lions, Alex attacked pretty good. Really attacked vs. Bills. Then he had a terrible game vs. Giants and what happened? Vs. Seattle, he just crawled back in his shell and played it safe, and still ended up screwing the pooch. I hate to use the "K" word, but Kaepernick has the good pitchers mentality. You give up a home run, but you come right back with heat right down the middle. You don't dwell on the home run or start walking guys.

Alex is like the pitcher that gets rattled every time he gives up a home run, so instead he paints the corners. On his good days he hits the plate. On his bad days, he walks in the winning run. But he doesn't have that mentality of attacking the batter -- just jamming fastballs down his throat down and in, make the batter accept the challenge.

That is just how I see Alex. A very good, VERY smart, mobile, competent passer who just lacks the killer instinct to get to the next level. He is a good, mid-pack QB who will win 12 games on a good team and give you some chance to navigate the playoffs. What he won't do is put the team on his back and raise the play of everyone around him.

You know what you are getting with Alex. Good luck with him! I really like the guy -- he is a solid QB and a stellar person. Jim would call him a "gold helmet" guy. Look how much class and grace he showed handled the benching.

Still, "show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser." Joe Montana wouldn't even talk to Steve Young and we all know how Joe Cool played the game.

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9861079)

Brady will retire a Pat which is kind of a shame. NE is so "system", I would love to see what Brady could or could not do with a team like Chicago or something.