You're overpimping Te'o. By a lot.

Is this your first NFL draft? Do you know what kind of players go at #1 overall?

They aren't dipshits who are "solid pass defenders and tacklers."

Patrick Willis was the last "sure thing" the ILB world has seen in the NFL draft. He was a physical marvel. And he didn't even go in the top 5.

You're acting like Te'o is Patrick Willis, and he's really not.

And even if he were, he's not a pass rusher. He doesn't have elite speed. He's a try-hard Tebow guy with the talent and smarts to play the position in the NFL. Nothing more than that. He'll probably be a good football player in the pros.

"Good football players" aren't what you're looking for at the top overall pick. You're looking for franchise leaders. Guys who will win games for your team. And for that you look to QBs.

If that's something you've already brought up, it's because the counterarguments you give are faulty, specious, and weak. You have yet to respond to our point about sacrificing QB value but not sacrificing ILB value

Thread should have started and ended here.

I think in terms of "we think" they need a QB and "we actually need a QB", some of those are mistaken or already overly crowded. Jets, Cardinals, I don't know. And just like that, you have the possibility of Wilson ending up in the second.

And I really think you are overemphasizing the Rookie Scale, just because you don't have to pay them as much, doesn't mean you should reach a little and shoot for the moon, you're wasting a pick if you do that and aren't completely sold on a guy.

I'm not even going to read this rebuttal, I'm stopping at the first line and replying with...........You might be right. I might have Te'o overvalued right now. I'll at least admit to that right now. You guys have yet to even ease back from the crushing weight of the Geno Opression you are trying to serve up here.

Agreed

Edit: I read it a little and noticed you made an emphasis to point out "Franchise Leaders" who do you think ILB are? They are your defensive captains, your defensive leaders. When you hear people talk about the 49ers defense, you hear about Willis and Bowman. The Chiefs D? Johnson, Hali, and Houston. Denver? Dumervil and Miller, Ravens? Lewis, Reed, and Suggs. Green Bay? Matthews, Hawk, etc. So on and so forth.

And I guess a point that isn't going noticed here, is that I believe that there are intangibles in Te'o like leadership that you can't quite quantify, and although we have it with DJ, we'll have it in our next generation with Te'o here. Just using that to express another point I hadn't touched yet.

[QUOTE=Exoter175;9267065]What you fail to understand is that no one gives a rats ass about YOUR hypothetical scenario because, frankly, it's ****ing stupid.

I thought we wouldn't know anything until the combine got here? What makes you so confident that we won't be sacrificing QB value?

QBs WILL BE ****ING GONE. I've already given you a list of teams, but you systematically pooh-poohed each one for some dumbshit reason in spite of the fact that this is a QB driven league. For example, you're telling me that Buffalo won't take a QB because Fitzpatrick got a Cassel contract and is actually pretty good???

Go **** yourself. You're presenting valid arguments, but not good arguments. There's a difference.

"The Chiefs should draft Te'o because if they don't the earth will explode" is a valid argument. It's not a good one, though, because the premise is stupid and nonsensical. That's exactly what you're giving me. You're saying the Chiefs should draft Te'o because:

-Te'o is head and shoulders above the other ILBs
-The QBs likely aren't good enough to warrant the pick
-Plenty of great franchise-caliber QBs like Wilson and Barkley will be available in the second round
-Te'o is a special kind of player that all great teams need in order to win games
-Fitzpatrick is pretty good and other shitty reasons why other teams won't draft QBs in the first round

All of these are stupid. They're wrong. And if they're not wrong, then they require proof from the combine, which you told me I needed to prove any of my arguments, but apparently you don't need to wait for the combine. All of YOUR hypotheticals are fine to use. Mine aren't, though.

How does my logic taste, pillowbitergot?

You're overpimping him to the point of calling him a #1 pick. That's an atrocious statement, and if you refuse to give that up as a good course of action for KC, then you're not toning it down enough.

MLBs are NOT #1 overall picks.

[QUOTE=Saccopoo;9267080]Then quit arguing with me sacrider. OH MY GOD GENIUS IDEA RIGHT? ERMAHGERD DRERFT GERNO

Uh, you're forgetting the part where a lot of the talking heads and mock drafters are starting to remove many of the QB picks, based solely on the information I've used here to play devils advocate.

You seem to think if I had the choice, I'd take Te'o over all others. If you truly think that, you are quite the Dummypants ROFL

You're right, only players like Jamarcus Russel can be #1 overall picks, you know, the last #1 pick from the AFC West. That one went over so well.

ILB are luxury picks. We can't afford to buy a CTS-V right now because we still can't afford our goddamned section 8 housing rent.

That depends on which generation CTS-V we choose, first gens are totally affordable.

PS I'm done trolling, my head actually asploded in this thread. Didn't think there were so many of you geno guys out there lol.

This is about how I see it. Teo is the best player in the draft.

Their minds are clogged worse than a Texaco gas station toilet due to the Chiefs not selecting a 1st rd QB since the 80's.

I don't really blame them, but at some point these guys need to stop holding their breathe! Its going to happen this year! (we hope) lol.

I can't wait until the Senior bowl and combine.
alot of these guys I haven't had a chance to watch at all - specificaly Teo.

But I've watched Jarvis Jones, Murray (if he comes out), Geno, a little of Bray, Milliner, Barret Jones (not that we need a center in the 1st), Womack, Ogletree (who is some ways I'd rather have than Teo)

I would like to see Barkley, Glennon, more of Bray, more of Geno

Agreed.