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alanm 03-29-2008 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4655614)
I predict I will be doing a lot of laughing at this board on draft weekend.

I'm already planning out my snacking menu now. :D

OnTheWarpath15 03-29-2008 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by alanm (Post 4655656)
I'm already planning out my snacking menu now. :D

LMAO

melbar 03-29-2008 11:32 AM

In the same breath Tank and Turk faded later in the year (spending most of every game on the field way to much) Still have great potential. Boone and Edwards were at least adequate.
Our needs on the D-line may not be as great as some/most might think.

Brock 03-29-2008 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 4655659)
In the same breath Tank and Turk faded later in the year (spending most of every game on the field way to much) Still have great potential. Boone and Edwards were at least adequate.
Our needs on the D-line may not be as great as some/most might think.

Defensive linemen rotate. The Chiefs probably need one more in the middle and another end or two.

Tribal Warfare 03-29-2008 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 4655659)
In the same breath Tank and Turk faded later in the year (spending most of every game on the field way to much) Still have great potential. Boone and Edwards were at least adequate.
Our needs on the D-line may not be as great as some/most might think.


It's not about need, it's about quality, if one has a chance to draft an elite player if it's not a position of "need" then select that player. It's like saying Would you want Warren Sapp or John Tait. One is a game changer, and the other is solid player nothing more.

melbar 03-29-2008 11:38 AM

Gholston is a lazy game day guy who had a great workout. Clady is a 2-3 spot "reach". Gholston doesnt fit our Defense and would have to take time to learn to play the run while we hope he starts giving every play. I only hope the Raiders take him so we can run at him all day long and forget him by the 4th quarter. NOT and elite prospect. ONCE AGAIN 2-3 spots isnt a reach otherwise all the teams would just take the next guy on the overall players list.

milkman 03-29-2008 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 4655659)
In the same breath Tank and Turk faded later in the year (spending most of every game on the field way to much) Still have great potential. Boone and Edwards were at least adequate.
Our needs on the D-line may not be as great as some/most might think.

No one is suggesting that D-Line is a great need.

We are saying that the D-Line can really become dominant with a rotation that includes a dominating DT, and one of those is very likely to be available when we are up at 5.

If Jake Long is gone, selecting Dorsey or Ellis over Ryan Clady is a no brainer.

I'd take them over Long, since I don't believe he's the elite LT prospect that others do, but I won't be pissed if he's there and the Chiefs take him.

melbar 03-29-2008 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4655669)
Defensive linemen rotate. The Chiefs probably need one more in the middle and another end or two.

O=linemen dont and we dont even have starters at most positions let alone solid backups

OnTheWarpath15 03-29-2008 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 4655659)
In the same breath Tank and Turk faded later in the year (spending most of every game on the field way to much) Still have great potential. Boone and Edwards were at least adequate.
Our needs on the D-line may not be as great as some/most might think.

Wow.

The only other DT on the roster right now is TJ Jackson, if that tells you anthing about our lack of depth.

Boone is 32 and Edwards is 35. Tanks and Turk BETTER work out, because right now, they are all we have at DT for the future.

We're in even worse shape at DE.

Allen and Hali are the only DE's on the roster.

I'd say that DL is a pretty damn strong need.

melbar 03-29-2008 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 4655675)
No one is suggesting that D-Line is a great need.

We are saying that the D-Line can really become dominant with a rotation that includes a dominating DT, and one of those is very likely to be available when we are up at 5.

If Jake Long is gone, selecting Dorsey or Ellis over Ryan Clady is a no brainer.

I'd take them over Long, since I don't believe he's the elite LT prospect that others do, but I won't be pissed if he's there and the Chiefs take him.

I agree. I'm not sure I'd take Ellis first, but I Think more of Long (see 1 penalty and 2 sacks his entire college career. But Dorsey, C. Long are dominant game changers who have the potential to be perennial Pro-Bowlers almost immediately.

OnTheWarpath15 03-29-2008 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 4655673)
Gholston is a lazy game day guy who had a great workout. Clady is a 2-3 spot "reach". Gholston doesnt fit our Defense and would have to take time to learn to play the run while we hope he starts giving every play. I only hope the Raiders take him so we can run at him all day long and forget him by the 4th quarter. NOT and elite prospect. ONCE AGAIN 2-3 spots isnt a reach otherwise all the teams would just take the next guy on the overall players list.

I notice you keep mentioning Gholston, but avoid mentioning Dorsey or Ellis.....

OnTheWarpath15 03-29-2008 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 4655688)
I agree. I'm not sure I'd take Ellis first, but I Think more of Long (see 1 penalty and 2 sacks his entire college career. But Dorsey, C. Long are dominant game changers who have the potential to be perennial Pro-Bowlers almost immediately.

Not picking on you, but since you said it....

Why are people so hung up on Long's 1 penalty and 2 sacks?

If he got to play Michigan's schedule again this year, that might be of interest.

He has to play against 16 of the best DE's in the world. The best of the best.

Baby Lee 03-29-2008 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar (Post 4655688)
perennial Pro-Bowlers almost immediately.

Isn't that by definition impossible? ;)

melbar 03-29-2008 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 4655685)
Wow.

The only other DT on the roster right now is TJ Jackson, if that tells you anthing about our lack of depth.

Boone is 32 and Edwards is 35. Tanks and Turk BETTER work out, because right now, they are all we have at DT for the future.

We're in even worse shape at DE.

Allen and Hali are the only DE's on the roster.

I'd say that DL is a pretty damn strong need.

Your right we do need both. Like I said in my last post Dorsey especially would be understandable to choose over Long (I dont think there is a chance in Hell we have to deal with that decision). I dont think we're going to have many choices as we will choose the elite player that is left on the board, I just dont think that if we're taking a player who is not a top 5-6 player (depending on what we think of Ryan and McFadden) then I'd rather go for an OT who has the potential to be the best LT in this draft and I've never seen ranked lower than 2nd and would be on the field every play, over a workout warrier who is an incomplete player and is ranked from 2-8 at a position where he will be rotating with 2 better players on our roster.

melbar 03-29-2008 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 4655699)
Isn't that by definition impossible? ;)

touche':hmmm:


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