Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 5968037)

Everyone thought Casey Wiegmann sucked complete shit his last year here.

Then he goes to Denver and is a part of the #2 offense.

Herm was a frickin' moron and Haley is going to make a HUGE difference.

7 wins if Cassel stays healthy.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 5968066)

You don't think any of that had to do with coaching?

Originally Posted by arc (Post 5968083)

Exactly. I'm not going to make a definite decision if a player sucks or not until the stench of Herm is completely washed off.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5968095)

You could be waiting a long time in many cases

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5968044)

Derrick Johnson is a huge, gigantic disappointment.

He was taken at #15 overall, a spot that designates that he should have been an impact player. He's not. He disappears not just for huge chunks of plays but for games at a time.

He is probably the most inconsistent player on the Chiefs defense and does nothing to elevate the level of play of the other players on defense.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5968093)

Not after 4 years.

No way.

Do you think that Jared Allen was successful because of coaching?

LMAO

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 5968162)

Jesus, I'm sorry he's not Derrick Thomas.

Nothing you said refutes my point: that he is a solid player and a solid NFL starter who has a place on a good defense.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 5968169)

I think Jared Allen could rush the passer, more or less sucked against the run,and was fooled by the bootleg all the damn time. What he was good at was a gift he had that didn't need to be coached. Go kill the QB.

What he sucked at were things that should have been coachable.

I guess now you are going to tell me he was a good run defender and he didn't fall for the bootleg all the time.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5968197)

Are you claiming that he was worth #15 overall pick?

C'mon. Let's hear it.

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 5968239)

No....but he has a place on a good defense.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5968242)

So, you admit that he's not a consistent game changer. That's he's just a "guy" with a "place" on a "good" defense.

Sounds like a 4th rounder to me.

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 5968266)

Monty Beisel is a "guy."

Derrick Johnson can make plays. He's proven that. He's an above-average level starter in the league. And definitely refutes your point that the Chiefs have no young linebackers.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5968276)

LMAO



Derrick Johnson doesn't make plays with any more frequency than did Scott Fujita, who was a 5th round choice. He's average, at best.

I don't understand people's fascination with Derrick Johnson. I'd have taken Aaron Rodgers in a heartbeat over "DJ".

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5968276)

LMAO

So you're telling me that one out of four young starting linebackers is enough? Enough for what?

Derrick Johnson doesn't make plays with any more frequency than did Scott Fujita, who was a 5th round choice. He's average, at best.

I don't understand people's fascination with Derrick Johnson. I'd have taken Aaron Rodgers in a heartbeat over "DJ".