Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 7276149)

A few years ago people were perpetually bitching that we haven't drafted and developed a QB since Dawson. Well, we still haven't.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 7280933)

Apparently those people were ill informed, because we neither drafted nor developed Dawson.

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 7280909)

Are you being purposefully obtuse or is there a cognitive disconnect that is keeping you from understanding what hes talking about?

A lot of people, Madmax included, said this is a 4-6 win team at best. "I'll suck my own dick if we win 8 games".

The main issue is in August had you asked what do you want to see from MC to make you think he might be the answer at QB and they listed stats, games won etc, there's no way they would expect more than what he's done. Yet they refuse to look at MC and see any good. They refuse to give any credit because they are invested in being right. Dane and Milkman are logical thinkers. They were anti-Cassel and yet they see that he is possibly turning a corner and might be the answer. I feel the same way. Others have used pretexts to attempt to have a "logical reason" to continue to claim he sucks.

Bottom line if you are looking to find fault and place blame on MC he's an easy target but then so is every QB in the league Manning and Brady included.

Originally Posted by Sannyasi (Post 7281044)

EVERYONE thinks that Cassel has improved. If you can't find the posts saying that Cassel has been playing much better the last few games then i have to imagine its because you aren't looking.

Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 7280933)

Apparently those people were ill informed, because we neither drafted nor developed Dawson.

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 7281076)

Hooray!!!! Another thread showing off the ignorance of B_Ambuehl :whackit:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 7280909)

Are you being purposefully obtuse or is there a cognitive disconnect that is keeping you from understanding what hes talking about?

A lot of people, Madmax included, said this is a 4-6 win team at best. "I'll suck my own dick if we win 8 games".

The main issue is in August had you asked what do you want to see from MC to make you think he might be the answer at QB and they listed stats, games won etc, there's no way they would expect more than what he's done. Yet they refuse to look at MC and see any good. They refuse to give any credit because they are invested in being right. Dane and Milkman are logical thinkers. They were anti-Cassel and yet they see that he is possibly turning a corner and might be the answer. I feel the same way. Others have used pretexts to attempt to have a "logical reason" to continue to claim he sucks.

Bottom line if you are looking to find fault and place blame on MC he's an easy target but then so is every QB in the league Manning and Brady included.

Originally Posted by MadMax (Post 7282290)

Dave I don't believe I ever said he hasn't improved. Yes I made a foolish prediction, and I have no hate for Cassel. He is just not the QB I had hope for. I hope he gets better and wish nothing but the best for the Chiefs.

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 7275907)

Against Seattle and Arizona?

From reading this board it sounds like Cassell just won the MVP trophy, but when I look at his stats for the last 2 football games this is what I find:

Denver: 17-31 196 1-0
St Louis: 15-29 184 1-1

That's barely 50% completion percentage against 2 shitty football teams WITH an outstanding running game behind him.

When I look at his record I don't think he's won a football game when he didn't get at least 140 rushing yards to support him.

The fact is Seattle and Arizona can make anybody look good. Hell, Alex Smith went for ~300 yds and 3 TDs last week vs Seattle.

At some point Casshole's gonna have to prove he can win a football game by himself without much of a running game against a good defense playing coverage. Opposing teams routinely sell out on the run when they face us. When you're only completing ~50% of your passes vs the kind of coverage he's been getting I think there are legitimate questions whether he's capable of doing that.

"But casshole is so tough and he's become a leader blah blah blah". ****ing trent dilfer was tough and a leader too. Doesn't make him a good QB. Hell, Tim Tebow's tough and a leader. Doesn't make him an NFL player.

Flame away.

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 7281270)

The point is he was already with the franchise when it moved to KC. We've never drafted and developed anyone worth a shit in KC since. Remember the year Croyle was supposed to start and all the talk of how great it is that KC is finally playing and developing a true drafted QB? Then Pioli breaks out the Carl method of team building and pulls the same bullshit with Cassel Carl did for years and years and years and everybody seems to forget, we still haven't drafted and developed a QB. Most likely the situation will end the same way. Carl era QBs were decent but not great and eventually became limiting. None of them looked as bad as Cassell did thru his first ~1.5 yrs starting here, and none of them had as much help in the running game as he's had this year. Even his biggest supporters agree the Casshole isn't a "true franchise QB" which you generally have to draft and develop.

Can you win with him? Yeah, but you could also win with Carl era Qbs.

So basically there's a big disconnect here: Everybody wanted to run Carl out of town for being content with non franchise QBs but now everybody wants to suck Pioli and Cassels dick for doing the same ****ing thing (at a lower level IMO).

Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 7282426)

All you want is for us to ****ing develop a QB. That's it. You're so obsessed with that idea that your blinded by the fact that not all HOF QB's where drafted and 'developed' as you call it. There's lots of QB's who weren't top 10 draft picks who turned out GREAT in the NFL. Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, Drew Brees.... The list goes on and on. Cassel is only getting better and better and either you get behind him or **** off. Simple.

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 7281270)

The point is he was already with the franchise when it moved to KC. We've never drafted and developed anyone worth a shit in KC since. Remember the year Croyle was supposed to start and all the talk of how great it is that KC is finally playing and developing a true drafted QB? Then Pioli breaks out the Carl method of team building and pulls the same bullshit with Cassel Carl did for years and years and years and everybody seems to forget, we still haven't drafted and developed a QB. Most likely the situation will end the same way. Carl era QBs were decent but not great and eventually became limiting. None of them looked as bad as Cassell did thru his first ~1.5 yrs starting here, and none of them had as much help in the running game as he's had this year. Even his biggest supporters agree the Casshole isn't a "true franchise QB" which you generally have to draft and develop.

Can you win with him? Yeah, but you could also win with Carl era Qbs.

So basically there's a big disconnect here: Everybody wanted to run Carl out of town for being content with non franchise QBs but now everybody wants to suck Pioli and Cassels dick for doing the same ****ing thing (at a lower level IMO).

Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 7282426)

All you want is for us to ****ing develop a QB. That's it. You're so obsessed with that idea that your blinded by the fact that not all HOF QB's where drafted and 'developed' as you call it. There's lots of QB's who weren't top 10 draft picks who turned out GREAT in the NFL. Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, Drew Brees.... The list goes on and on. Cassel is only getting better and better and either you get behind him or **** off. Simple.