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'Hamas' Jenkins 02-10-2011 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 7423454)
No way. AA star this year. Spring training invite and AAA star with a late callup in 2012. The big show in 2013.

Dude, he's a high school pitcher. Even if he gets called up in 2013, he's not going to be at his full potential then. He'll be 22 years old when the 2013 season starts.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-10-2011 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 7423463)
Same with freese, if he can stay healthy.

Counting on anything from David Freese is a fool's errand.

Miles 02-10-2011 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7423468)
Counting on anything from David Freese is a fool's errand.

Still not really sure why some depth at 3B wasn't picked up this offseason for that same reason.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-11-2011 12:22 AM

Same answer to everything else: John Mozeliak is a ****ing moron.

Miles 02-11-2011 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7423562)
Same answer to everything else: John Mozeliak is a ****ing moron.

Even more irritating since I had grown used to the Cards being a well run team. Wonder when that ****ing changed and now the Reds are doing smart things.

DJ's left nut 02-11-2011 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7423425)
He's played like a $30 million/year player for 10 ****ing years. If DeWitt wasn't a total dumbshit, he should have realized that this day was coming, and should have socked at least some of that surplus value away for his eventual raise.

Carpenter and Berkman come off the books after this year. That's 20+ million in savings right there. Add that to Pujols' contract and you're at the same payroll you were before. Lohse comes off after 2012. That's another 10 million/year you can use on Wainwright and Rasmus.

The Cardinals' payroll was around 95 million last year. It has been north of $100 million several years ago in a ballpark that generated less revenue. This team can easily, easily sustain a payroll of $120 million. This comes down to DeWitt being cheap and Mozeliak being stupid.

1b: Pujols (30MM)
2b: Schumaker (3 MM)
SS: Theriot (3.3 MM)
3B: Freese (400k)
LF: Holliday (17 MM)
CF Rasmus (400k)
RF Berkman (8MM)
C: Molina (6.5MM)

Bench:

Jay (400k)
Craig (400k)
Laird (1.1 MM)
Punto (750 K)
Greene (400k)

SP: Wainwright (6.5 MM)
SP: Carpenter (15 MM)
SP: Garcia (400k)
SP: Westbrook (8 MM)
SP:Lohse (11.88 MM)

CP:Franklin (3.5 MM)
SU: Motte (400k)
RRP: McClellan (1.38k)
LHRP: Miller (2 MM)
LHRP: Tallett (750k)
RRP: Boggs (400k)
RRP: Lance Lynn (400k)
RRP: Adam Ottavino (400k)

That's 122.66 million.

Now, whack the Berkman, Lohse, and Carpenter contracts off. That's 35 million in savings.

You mean to tell me that the Cardinals couldn't take 20 million of that 35, giving them a 107 MM payroll, and replace Carpenter, Lohse, and Berkman?? Cut off Theriot and Schumaker. That's another 6 million of replacement-level production.

Basically, if the Cardinals can find a pitcher that can give them 90% of 2010 Chris Carpenter for $10 million per, they'll be able to swing the Pujols extension with no elevation of the payroll. Granted, they should tack on another 15-20 after that. If they spend that money wisely, this team could contend.

Yup. It really is as simple as that...IF ownership does the right thing and raises payroll to a level commensurate with what it SHOULD be.

Remember, it wasn't too long ago that the Cardinals had the highest paid player in baseball on their team in Ozzie Smith. This mid-market stuff doesn't wash when revenues are as obscene as they are. The Cards can absolutely afford to pay Albert.

What they can't afford to do is pay $26 million for their 4th and 5th starters and the absolute worst middle infield in baseball.

Ultimately, if ownership shows the commitement to the team that it should, it won't be Albert's contract that kills the team (or Holliday's for that matter, just look at what Werth got). It will be the contracts handed out to lousy players like Lohse, Theriot and Skip that does it.

In closing - Mozeliak sucks.

DJ's left nut 02-11-2011 04:50 PM

Oh yeah, and with the resignation of Jerry Sloan, Tony LaRussa now has the longest continuous tenure with his team of any manager in the 4 major sports.

Aren't we lucky...

DJ's left nut 02-11-2011 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 7423436)
You don't think Shelby can be that #2?

Foolish to count on a prospect to be a #2.

I remember the days when we were going to have 5 #1 starters in the rotation. I believe it was Morris, Benes, Benes, Osborne and Chad Hutchinson/Rick Ankiel.

That didn't come together so well for us.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-11-2011 06:48 PM

I made the radio today thanks to an online rant about Mozeliak. After reading my comment on the radio's page, they said, "Wow, you can almost see the anger coming out of the keyboard."
LMAO

Rams Fan 02-11-2011 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7425207)
I made the radio today thanks to an online rant about Mozeliak. After reading my comment on the radio's page, they said, "Wow, you can almost see the anger coming out of the keyboard."
LMAO

Which one? KMOX, 101.1 ESPN, 590, 1380? If it's 1380:ROFL

Al Bundy 02-11-2011 07:20 PM

I have to wonder how this thing with Albert wasn't taken care of 3-4 years ago.

BigRedChief 02-11-2011 08:20 PM

You guys hear Holliday on the radio today offered to defer some money to help keep pujols?

Rams Fan 02-11-2011 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 7425307)
You guys hear Holliday on the radio today offered to defer some money to help keep pujols?

Yep, it's on the Post Dispatch's website.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-11-2011 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 7425215)
Which one? KMOX, 101.1 ESPN, 590, 1380? If it's 1380:ROFL

Local ESPN station in CoMo called 1580. I was on their website and posted a comment before going out the door to go run some errands. By the time I had pulled out of the drive, they were reading my comment on the air.

We have to seriously embrace the fact that John Mozeliak isn’t just bad at his job, he’s so epically incompetent that the light from bad would take decades to reach him. The fact that this negotiation has taken so long is a serious indictment on the management and ownership of the team. Mozeliak has done nothing to disprove the fact that he’s a complete stooge. Nothing.

BigRedChief 02-11-2011 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7425380)
Local ESPN station in CoMo called 1580. I was on their website and posted a comment before going out the door to go run some errands. By the time I had pulled out of the drive, they were reading my comment on the air.

We have to seriously embrace the fact that John Mozeliak isn’t just bad at his job, he’s so epically incompetent that the light from bad would take decades to reach him. The fact that this negotiation has taken so long is a serious indictment on the management and ownership of the team. Mozeliak has done nothing to disprove the fact that he’s a complete stooge. Nothing.

sounds rather pedestrian compared to some of your Mo rants on here lately.:D


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