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Setsuna 04-18-2014 11:59 AM

Yeah they messed up Ice Man completely. He is certainly Omega level because of he can use his abilities at the molecular level.

Aries Walker 04-18-2014 04:51 PM

He attains that level in the comics eventually, but during most of the X-Men's existence, he isn't of noticeably greater power than the others; in fact, he's probably significantly weaker than, say, Storm. He is also growing in power in the movies, after having started as a teenaged student, which is closer to his arc in the comics than, say, Cyclops or Jean. Therefore, you could easily say he just hasn't achieved his Omega-level power yet.

If you want to talk continuity, there are sooooo many far juicier targets of well-deserved scorn in those movies than Iceman.

Valiant 04-18-2014 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Aries Walker (Post 10571776)
He attains that level in the comics eventually, but during most of the X-Men's existence, he isn't of noticeably greater power than the others; in fact, he's probably significantly weaker than, say, Storm. He is also growing in power in the movies, after having started as a teenaged student, which is closer to his arc in the comics than, say, Cyclops or Jean. Therefore, you could easily say he just hasn't achieved his Omega-level power yet.

If you want to talk continuity, there are sooooo many far juicier targets of well-deserved scorn in those movies than Iceman.

yeah I have always found it funny they have characters who should be super bad ass, as weaklings. But you have wolverine as a badass, wolverine is one of the pussiest mutants.

Storm should be Omega level, she controls weather, hell imagine her just directing non stop lightening at one person for awhile, Logan could not even survive that.

You already have iceman.

Professor X, in my opinion he is the worlds greatest villian, people just do not know it. He changes your memories and mind. Does it to Logan and Jean all the time. Probably does it to every x-man.

ThaVirus 04-18-2014 05:39 PM

Wolverine is over saturated but he's farrrrrr from a pussy. He's the best there is at what he does, and what he does isn't very nice!

....... No but seriously. He basically can't ****ing die and he slaughters people left and right. He's about as badass as they come.

The Franchise 04-18-2014 05:41 PM

Yeah...how is Wolverine one of the pussiest mutants?

Jubilee anyone?

ThaVirus 04-18-2014 05:41 PM

And I agree about Iceman.

He has potential but he's always portrayed as a kid and/or unfocused. But even in the films, his power has been steadily progressing. In X Men 1 and X2 he was just a little douche. Freeze a pond here, make a little ice rose there. In X3 he finally turned into his full ice form and dicked Pyro. Now, it looks like he's always in ice form for battle and riding around the ice shutes.

Pretty much none of the mutants are as powerful in the movies as they are in the comics though and that's probably for the best.

Aries Walker 04-18-2014 06:26 PM

Hmm . . . Wolverine a puss?

In his defense, he has several lifetimes worth of experience, both on the battlefield and off. These give him sharp instincts on top of his heightened senses and (until recently) the ability to withstand damage that would level a small city. He can speak numerous languages, is extremely comfortable in wilderness settings, has an extensive list of contacts and friends, and most of all, is staggeringly dangerous when in close quarters combat.

However, his effectiveness drops off severely after about six feet of distance. He's not particularly strong, fast, agile, smart, disciplined, or tactically savvy, and after forty years, he still doesn't work well on a team. He can be easily corralled or evaded by someone so inclined, and usually won't figure out a plan until it becomes obvious to him. When he does win a combat, it's more often than not by naked aggression than by actually utilizing any of the decades' worth of fight training he's no doubt ignored in favor of just being pissed off all the time. He's survived this long based mostly on his ability to take a vicious beating, and his popularity among comic readers.

He's one of the most popular superhero characters ever, but he'd most likely lose in a head-to-head match-up with almost any other comparable character, on account of being a bit of a one-trick pony.

Valiant 04-18-2014 08:40 PM

Wolverines whole mythos is look, he has claws, he is cool, kids love him, lets write on that.

Him cuttings a sentinels head off with one swipe. He is not strong enough, nor are his claws long enough. He is basically batmanlike, only normal humans should fear him. Him taking on the hulk or thor, it is a joke, most of the other xmen should take him one on one if you strictly go on their powers. But no, he survives and is made better than what he is from marketing and writing.

His comp is shatterstar but with adamantium. Ok, shatterstar might be more of a badass.

ThaVirus 04-18-2014 09:00 PM

It really depends on the writer but most of the time they really don't do Wolverine any favors.

The guy is 100+ years old with experience training on Canadian black ops teams, samurai, and the Weapon X program. His skeleton is unbreakable and he can regenerate from most any wound in a matter of minutes. He should be one of the most skilled fighters in the Marvel U but he's usually depicted as nothing more than a mindless berserker.

Valiant 04-18-2014 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10572266)
It really depends on the writer but most of the time they really don't do Wolverine any favors.

The guy is 100+ years old with experience training on Canadian black ops teams, samurai, and the Weapon X program. His skeleton is unbreakable and he can regenerate from most any wound in a matter of minutes. He should be one of the most skilled fighters in the Marvel U but he's usually depicted as nothing more than a mindless berserker.

He is a skilled fighter, but that basically should only allow him to destroy humans with ease. His healing and metal make him one of those blow up punching guys, you know, the one you hit to the ground and it pops back up towards a lot of mutants.

That said, old man logan is one of my favorite books.

ThaVirus 04-18-2014 09:52 PM

Idk. He's pretty durable and his claws are sharp as shit so he's a danger to some more powerful characters.

I'd put him on the Captain America/Batman level.

Aries Walker 04-18-2014 10:00 PM

That sounds about right to me, with the caveat that he has so little versatility.

-King- 04-20-2014 01:42 PM

So why isn't the young version of professor x in a wheelchair?
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Gravedigger 04-20-2014 02:52 PM

He is then he isn't then he is then he isn't. I dunno how they're going to spin it.

bowener 04-21-2014 10:02 AM

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So why isn't the young version of professor x in a wheelchair?
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His injury hasn't occurred yet?


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